'Incidentally I have just finished a 4 hr "call out". There was a large crane that was being repositioned at a building site, and the electectrics wouldn't work. Eventually there were electricians, riggers, crane drivers and truck drivers involved, and we were finally able to get the crane operational without any physical violence or bullying, even though everyone was tired and wanted to be at home, and there was pouring rain and high winds, and everyone was soaked and cold."
Was this an emergency situation? I would have thought that under such extreme weather conditions this sort of project would be delayed due to workplace health & safety concerns until risk of injury and damage were minimised? No? That surprises me whose father-in-law was a site manager for a high rise building company ....

So your role was ....? To stand around and make sure no-one swore at each other? Sitting inside a warm dry vehicle sipping coffee from a thermos 'observing'? BTW - What are "electectrics"

"All the people involved were men, and this job was just 1 out of 1000's of jobs being performed by groups of men throughout the country."

So what has the sex of these workers got to do with the price of eggs? There are groups of female workers out there performing thousands of jobs throughout the country? Most commonly there are groups of men & women performing millions of jobs everyday throughout the country ...

I AM THEREFORE TOTALLY SUSPICIOUS THAT TEACHERS CANNOT MANAGE LITTLE SCHOOLBOYS"

"Little Schoolboys" can be 6ft plus, 90kg 17 - 18 year olds with bad attitudes (or much younger, smaller and nastier like the 12 yr old in the recent bully video that sparked this debate) especially if brought up in homes where respect and values are not taught or practised. Authorities have stripped schools and teachers of effective management options. Most nasty little schoolboys (and girls) would sneer at your "questions"

I am totally suspicious that you are bogus!

Vanna,

You seem to find it difficult to understand why grown men are easier to control. There are a host of factors at work. But I'll give you two.

1. These grown men are rational adults. You and you're ilk don't keep them in line. They keep themselves in line. HSEC merely remind employees of the tenous nature of their employment. Most have repsonsibilities, and those who can't manage their own behaviour rarely last long. This is not a dynamic you have anything other than LIMITED influence over.

2)These men that you refer to can be sacked without cause these days, let alone for infringements HSEC might dream up. This is a potent reason to toe the company line. ESpecially for a man with a familiy to support.

Children, especially teenagers aren't rational adults, they canj't be sacked and they laregly aren't interested in your pop psychology method. They'd tell you to get F@cked. I suspect then you'd be inclined to give them a smack over the ear, which would be my inclination as well.

I work in the coal industry, and your prescriptive solution for bullying and other behaviour is unbelievable. You seriously think that you can talk to a bloke like you have suggested you would, and that convinces them of the error of their ways. Have you lost touch with reality?

I'd check the duty of care as well. It would require of teachers and staff all reasonable measures. But all reasonable measures won't protect every child every day. In the US kids bring guns to school, despite armed security and metal detectors. Its a sign of the times. And it stems not from a failure of educators, but from a failure of society as a whole.

Attitudes and opinions are by and large, picked up at home. Racism is not taught at schools yet plenty of children exhibit racist behaviour. And I could go on and on.

You look at one small part of the whole disfunction annd proclaim it the problem. Your missing the woods for the trees.

The Divine_msn and of course the divine Paull,
Noted in all of your posts, you have never once made a positive comment about boys and men.

Everything is negative, and you have ignored anything positive about boys and men.

To put it more simply, in a feminist education system that is allowed to do whatever it wants, boy students would be outlawed.

Noted also that the author never said anything positive about boy students in his article, and has not very often said anything positive about men in his other articles either.

“So why don’t you say anything positive about boys or men?”

“Do you know what bigotry is?”

“Did you realise you were being bigoted?”

“Who pays you money?”

“Do you like the organisation that pays you money to be sexist and bigoted?”

vanna, have another read of PaulL's last post there are positives about men in that very post. Rational adults, men taking family responsibilities seriously.

PaulL is correct, there is a big difference between adult's and children, there is a big difference between those who can be sacked for bad behavior and those who see a suspension as a holiday, there is a big difference between those who know they might go to jail for an assault and those who think that the worst that will happen is a lecture and a few days at home playing the X-Box.

R0bert

Ok enough already.

Vanna is either bogus - trying to wind people up and those of us who keep replying to the nonsense and attempting to have rational discussion around this thread are just encouraging the mischief.

Or on the other hand this person may have some serious issues involving delusions and paranoia.

Either way, any further debate is useless.

Cheers all

Robert,

The author has not said anything positive about boys, and if you look through previous articles, he has made very few positive comments about boys or about men.

Nearly every comment has been negative of boys or men.

I have known groups of teachers who have also never said anything positive about boy students, although they tended to be a little bit numb about men, because they wanted men to come into the school to carry out maintenance on the school.

If someone is employed in a feminist environment such as the education system, then very few or no positive comments can be made about the male gender, or they simply will not have a job.

If you have raised children then you will know that they go through a variety of phases, because they are experimenting.

One of those phases is likely to be bullying other people, and most or all children will be bullies at some time, because they are experimenting.

I know that there are a considerable number of strategies that can be used to control bullying, but if left to people who have not the slightest positive opinion about boys or men, then eventually they will opt for expulsion or corporal punishment as being the only means to control bullying.

There is almost nothing in the education system that is improving in time, and because of the attitudes of so many of the teachers, I wouldn’t have any confidence that teachers could effectively control bullying.