Vanna seems to think we should live in a nanny state. Where kindly and well meaning 'supervisors' would tell everyone what to do and all would be well. No doubt Vanna would be putting her hand up for that job as well.

Vanna, please tell me why it is not the responsibility of the parent to ensure that a child has a hat, and wears it?

In virtually every industry I'v been in. HSEC have attempted to impose "safety" in the smallest possible sense.

They are ALWAYS far more concerned with the right shirt or pants, than whether the work instructon that actually made you safe was effective. And that was almost ALWAYS because HSEC had no idea about the actual industry, and it was preffered that way by upper management because then they didn't interefere in production.

Large numbers of warnings issued about non compliant shirts, or no 'take 5', makes it look like your doing something about safety, whilst not doing anything effective at all.

You can't stop bullying by sacking teachers, because the attitudes that children come to school with are develloped at HOME. The idea that a teacher ( who has 1/60th of the influence on each child in their class(assuming 2 parents), and far less than that on children in other classes) should be the resposnsible party is ABSURD.

You are either not a parent, or if you are, seem to have no belief in the importance of instilling in a child a sense of reponsibility. Children with no sense of responsibility can be kept in line when appropriately supervised, but watch out when there's no there to tell them what to do. Or do you, or someone you delegate, plan on being there to supervise every second of your childs existence?

Paul L
Once the student enters the gate of the school, the teachers and principal have primary responsibility for the safety of the student.

That is legal fact.

In fact, if a burglar goes into the school, the school has primary responsibility for the safety of the burglar.

The teachers now have more face to face contact with the child then their parents, and they often have more resources available than their parents, or in our feminist society it is often parent instead of parents (so they could be called parents/parent)

While all schools state that they are concerned about the wellbeing of the child, it is a joke.

As for skin cancer, I have seen girl school pupils walking past a teacher with no hat, no sunglasses, with their dresses as short as possible, and the sleeves of their top rolled up above their shoulder, and the teacher said nothing.

Now in our feminist society, the teacher may not be able to do much about the length of the dresses, but they can certainly do something about their lack of hats, lack of sunglasses and sleeves rolled up.

“Why are your sleeves rolled up?”

“What is skin cancer?”

“How long does it take to get skin cancer?”

“What is the treatment for skin cancer?”

“Will anyone visit you in hospital if you have skin cancer?”

Etc, etc, etc

It doesn’t look too good for teachers.

After 4 years in a teachers college, they now want specialist teachers to teach maths and science to primary school students, (and you can’t get much more basic maths and science than primary school maths and science).

They want specialist teachers to teach English.

They want special training to control bullying.

Shortly they will want special training to get students to roll their sleeves down and wear a hat and sunglasses.

But all the way through they want no responsibility, they want to be able to use the parents/parent as a scapegoat, and they want more and more and more and more money from the taxpayer.

Perhaps they should just try another job.

Once again vanna FAILS to answer direct questions put to him/her.

Vanna - with responses so far that have totally ignored or sidestepped very specific requests for information that you should have at the tips of your fingers, one has to doubt whether you would recognise an appropriate answer to a question?

Maybe the response doesn't matter? The questions keep coming until the person concerned stops replying out of desire to escape and complies. (Probably irritated to Hell and ready to do something else out of line)

With vanna's attitude and intellect I'm starting to think this individual is either a bureaucrat or training for a career in politics. Can't be working in the real world!

Vanna,

You say teachers have more face time with their students than their parents do. Since classes are often as large as 30 children, a teacher will usually be able to devote 2mins per child per class. In a high school anyway. If it is really true that teachers have more face time with their students, then that is a crisis of parenting.

You say teachers have more funding than parents. In what world do you live. Schools don’t have enough money to buy the things they need to fulfil their primary objective, which is to educate. Next you’ll be saying that schools should supply the uniforms, the shoes, the books , sunglasses etc.

Where does a parents responsibility begin. You have stated clearly that they aren’t responsible for the violent behaviour of their children at school. How about anywhere else? You also seem to have implied that parents shouldn’t have to buy their kids hats, or sunglasses or sunscreen. So what is it a parent is responsible for?

You point to workplaces, where (according to you) all safety standards are adhered to. But at the workplace, the worker can, and often is excluded, ie sacked, when they misbehave. Your account of supervisors being sacked for not getting their employees to meet certain requirements is BOGUS. I have never in my time seen a supervisor sacked for the failings of an employee. I have on the other hand seen many workers sacked for the failings of a supervisor.

How deluded are you to think that speaking rationally to someone will always convert them to your position. Children aren’t rational beings, that’s why we don’t allow them to vote or carry guns or drink. Pollyanna on her best day would not go so far as to suggest that she had a cure for all aberrant behaviour.

Wake up. Workers do what you want them to because you have some power over their future employment. Not because of your ironclad logic. Schools of course, do not have the same power, which is why they have so much more trouble.

divine_msn
“With vanna's attitude and intellect”

You haven’t explained yourself, and you are actually carrying out a form of bullying. Go immediately to the principal to be dismissed.

PaulL
Once again, check with a solicitor and ask if the parent or the school has primary responsibility for the safety of the student once the student walks past the school gate.

If the teachers believe that they cannot ensure the safety of the students, then they always have an option to close the school.

If they keep the school open, but cannot ensure the safety of the student, then they are liable for prosecution.

As well, bullying is just one of many possible risks to someone in industry, but most of industry seems to be able to reduce bullying to a low level risk and many other risks as well.

Vanna your scathing, illogical, unsubstantiated attacks on schools and teachers (bully behaviour?) are what causes me to question your attitude.

Your seeming inability to address questions which are clearly posed cause me to question your intellect.

Would you please explain why you denigrate the entire teaching profession and schools in general? (Note: This is a QUESTION. Please respond)

Now on the subject of QUESTIONS - these were asked previously. Please prove that you are a person who may know something about what you write by giving straight honest answers to each one. I suggest you copy and paste and respond to each individually, in order, in the same way as you expect answers from others.

Are you claiming that in your workplace/s ALL problems of bullying (including incidents of physical intimidation and violence) have been dealt with by you asking the offender a series of loaded questions, with the matter considered 'solved' once the person can't answer the last question?

Please enlighten all of us who are surely wondering what type of industry you work in?

As have others, I ask what you believe is appropriate action to take against perpetrators of violence within the School environment, taking into account the duty of care the School has to protect students, staff and visitors on site?

What is your duty of care to any victim of workplace bullying when an assault occurs?

Where does accountability lay if the 'questioning' fails to prevent a change in bad behaviour and offences escalate?

So please explain yourself! It's a chance to reclaim credibility.