Well said, Briar Rose

>>The strand of feminism that steadfastly refuses to regard women as responsible adults, but always and only as victims of men, is not a desirable one.<<

It is true that women have been objectified more often both now and throughout history, the solution is not subjecting men to similar abuses, but to stand up as adults (which us what I believe being a 'real' man or woman is about) and rejecting that which is demeaning, humiliating and abusive of either sex.

Fact is there is a percentage of women who do get their power kicks abusing other women - same for men, these people are usually just bullies. While there is a tiny demographic who get off on seeing dead female forms being demeaned, they are not the majority. What we need is united protest at the exploitation of any human being, not sex wars.

Be a real man? Well depending on ones perspective or values defines how one judges what is a real man or not.

Interesting article on what is known as Gynocentrism.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/2011/01/09/staring-out-from-the-abyss-gynocentrism-ii/

<Allow me to clarify. The traditional idea under discussion is male sacrifice for the benefit of women, which we term Gynocentrism. This is the historical norm, and it was the way of the world long before anything called 'feminism' made itself known. There is an enormous amount of continuity between the chivalric class code which arose in the Middle Ages and modern feminism,>

Anyway the commandment "Thou shalt not hit women" is as perhaps as old as chivalry or older.

Now that I have found time to see the video(thanks for the link Robert), Kanye should be arrested for crimes against my ears. His music is truly a crime. Risky film clips to publicise crap songs are nothing new.

My thoughts mirror Aime's on the increase in violence in the media. We live in strange times - on the one hand we have become immune to almost any level of violence in the media and on the other we keep bunging on about reducing violence in the real world including the growth of street violence etc. We have beome namby pamby about any ideas to reduce violence such as early closing times for pubs, greater scrutiny of Advertising/film etc.

Violence (victim and perpetrator) is across all genders. Even young women are getting 'tough' and like Aime has experienced foul mouthed conversations are too often heard among young women and men alike.

I agree with Mary that this video does nothing to add to the quality of news media and with benk that it is an assault on the ears, however the violence and themes are denigrating to both men and women.

It is disappointing to see the predicatable reactions to this video so far. While one may not agree with the degree in which this video clip (might be) harming society (as one of many), we certainly need to have a discussion about violence in the media and the impact on young people and the social psyche.

Responsibility also lies with parents to get with the program and start setting some boundaries for their children. Too many (in my experience) ignore the classifications for even very young children. Some parents found me odd years ago when my girls were younger asking them about which movies they were screening and why I declined the invitation after finding out The Ring and The Spy Who Shagged Me were being shown to a group of six year olds.

The real problem is that parents are AWOL due to too many work commitments, pressure of debt and so on. It is just too easy to slack off in the most important part of your life - at home.

Good on you Mary and others who continue to highlight these very important issues.

It really is amusing how the secularist here froth at the mouth at the thought of a wife submitting to the headship of her husband but are comfortable and even enjoy the 'freedom' to have woman portrayed as sex slaves as long as it is their 'choice'. Oh well I suppose that's the fruit of moral relativism so we should not be surprised.

runner you're a national treasure.

You never fail to bring a smile to my face.