Thank you Aime, finally an objective comment. Far too many readers have a problem with this piece simply because the author is Catholic, which has nothing to do with the key issues!

Jeez, who died and let you lot become Jimmy Swaggart, ranting about 'that dirty, filthy, lewd, repetitive junk called rock'n'roll'?

Yessir, the fertility rites of the jungle are the same beats used in rock'n'roll to bring the white man down to the level of the negro.

Where will it all end? Think of the children!

Ok. I looked at the clip to see what all the fuss is about since it was only 40 secs long (I have extremely slooooow ADSL1)

Clownfish, you should be flogged for insinuating that hip-hop rubbish is in any way connected to Rock and Roll, but back to the film clip in question.

To be honest, what I saw didn't make me cringe. It looked more like a bad vampire show rather than anything else. Vampire and werewolf productions both on the big and small screen seems to be the new current trend and this clip is either a follow on from this new "scene" or in direct competition with it, but that doesn't mean to say producers of this trash should be allowed to encroach more and more into the realms of decency. Children actually watch this stuff on television in the early hours of the morning when their parents are still asleep. Ok, that particular clip might currently be shown in the early hours of the morning, but pretty soon it will sneak it's way into post daylight hours, put up perhaps, as a "blast from the past" or whatever.

Kids do get to see this junk "entertainment" and their forming minds eventually see it as normal behaviour. If my grandchildren were staying the night with me, then the parental lock would be going on the TV before I went to bed. I attribute much of the street violent that plagues out cities to watching too much graphic violence on TV and in video games. The classification limits of decency have been severely breached in this country and most of the rest of the Western world. Perhaps it's time for a re-think?

Mary,

Being objective essentially means weighing up all the issues and trying to exclude personal feelings, not simply agreeing with you.

Considering that Aime had not even seen the clip, her visceral response was purely subjective.

As for being Catholic, my experience is that charge of the Prudes / anti abortion / censorship brigade is overly represented by Catholics such as Melinda Tankard Reist etc.

Aime it's alway's difficult when there is a common foe. I consider the religious extremists and the way things work when they get their way a far bigger risk than American rappers and Hip Hop artists.

I think we achieve better outcomes by reduced censorhip and encouraging attitudes to sexuality and life which are based on self respect and respect for others than on guilt and shame. I'm suspecting we may agree on that.

I'm wondering if there is some confusion over which clip this is.

I think that it's this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kLcJ_zzLdHA

5 minutes 52 long. I didn't spot violence against men by women in the clip but there was a lengthy scene where one woman appeared to have another bound on a chair and often hooded - probably the closest to a portrayal of violence that I could see in the clip.

Not something I'm likely to watch over and over again. I've been wondering how different it is to the stuff Alice Cooper did/does. Some common theme's given the generational differences. I know as a teenager I understood Alice's shows were theater and from what I knew of others who enjoyed the show they seemed to get that it was theater. "Cold Ethel" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUFO_04J1r4 ) and "I love the Dead" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWU7FxQIsoM) had some similarities to the Kanye West stuff.

I don't know Kanye West's attitudes but there are a number of interviews around with Alice which touch on the theater aspect. The interview with Denton was good.

R0bert

RObert, I'll have a look at your video clip link as soon as I can before making further comment. I only viewed the one of 40 seconds in the original article.

I probably am getting old though. I recently went to a party comprising mostly young women and was a little bit taken aback by the foul language they used in every sentence and these are ordinary young women from a farming community. I suppose being brought up in a family where my aging parents (I was a very late arrival and probably an accident) never ever used anything more serious than bugger or bloody. I only once heard dad say sh.t and I believe he had a reasonable excuse to do so.

But, as every generation perceives, morals are slipping and values are in decline and really, I don't know what's to become of the next generation :-)