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Be a Real Man : Comments

By Mary Elias, published 31/1/2011

Portrayals of violence against women can never be condoned, not even on artistic grounds.

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If it is hip-hop then ban the lot. I have actually heard a hip-hop singer trying to sing a normal song.

No thank you.

However the article is like so many. It focuses on one situation, and ignores the majority, and tries to portray men as being oppressors of women.

For example, it does not mention the myriad of songs on the radio, most of which are sung or have been written by men, and most of which are love songs.

If the majority is considered, it is men who are the lovers.
Posted by vanna, Monday, 31 January 2011 6:14:21 PM
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It's the devil's music, I tell ye!
Posted by Clownfish, Monday, 31 January 2011 7:27:43 PM
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Avant Garde is what comes to mind.

Avant garde is not really my cup of tea, but then there are people who do like it.

It really does get abit tiring the broken record about how this or that encourages violence against women, yet that same people who protest about violence against women, are silent, blind and deaf to the issues where women are encouraged overtly and covertly to behave in abusive manners towards men.

The point is people who protest at every opportunity about violence, are not that serious and are merely using it as a tool and method to justify their abuse of men.

If they were really serious about ending violence in our society then they would bring awareness about all forms of violence, not just those that suit their particular political sexist agenda.
Posted by JamesH, Monday, 31 January 2011 8:15:58 PM
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what is so strange about this sort of video/performance is what it says about the man who made it - and his apparent sexual or 'intimate' (sic) preferences. it is also strange that the maker of the video (the guy in it) must believe that other men have this sexual preference or at least enjoy seeing a man engage in it. it further suggests that men enjoy seeing inert/dead bodies of women - and not only that, but inert/dead bodies of women being subjected to aggression and violence. the hatred of women embodied in such notions is breathtaking ... as is the implication for men generally. surely it is wholly demeaning of men to suggest (as the video appears to suggest) that they enjoy engaging in implied/metaphorical sexual activity with inert bodies, much less dead ones. necrophilia or intimations of it is surely not something to boast about?
Posted by jocelynne, Monday, 31 January 2011 9:53:47 PM
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Well, I don't really know what all the fuss is about.
I watched the whole video, and I didn't find it scary, sexist or erotic.
Certainly the violence was no worse than Alice Cooper or Ozzy Osbourne were when I was a teenager!

What about the crutch-grasping Michael Jackson for a sexual act?
How about Chrissie Amphlett (Divinyls) singing about touching herself...and the accompanying video?

I have not had any time for this KanYe West since he upstaged that poor girl Taylor Swift at the video music awards. A truly awful man.

I don't like hip-hop music at all, just like my parents didn't like Led Zeppelin, and my Grandparents didn't like Elvis Presley!

There will always be people in our society who believe they know all the morals that everyone else in society must follow, or else they are the devil's spawn :)

This scenario will continue down the generations, just as it always has..
Posted by suzeonline, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 12:19:51 AM
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So Jocelynne, what does the video say about the women who are stomping their stilettos into the man's body till he bleeds?

And the woman who is apparently tormenting another woman who is tied to a chair?

Or did the bad man who made the video force these women to act out his fantasy?

Isn't it equally demeaning, in your terms, for women to be represented and to represent themselves as desiring and enjoying these acts?

And have you watched the Cilmi video? What does that say about female desire do you think, and is it acceptable that female desire apparently needs to objectify the male and torture him? Is that not women demeaning women?

Or is it all theatre, as music videos have always been theatre?

The strand of feminism that steadfastly refuses to regard women as responsible adults, but always and only as victims of men, is not a desirable one.
Posted by briar rose, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 6:47:06 AM
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