Johnny "The irony is that these same posters such as Antiseptic, Roscop, Robert etc have more to fear from other MEN than they do women."

Quite true but if another male assaults me I can try and defend myself and or expect real help from the authorities. If attacked by a female partner an attempt at defense may well leave me blamed for the incident.

"in the domestic sphere physical violence is most likely to be committed by men." - that particular lie has been exposed and debated endlessly on OLO. My impression is that women suffer greater injuries at the far end of the spectrum of violence than men do, they commit at least as much if not more of the physical violence in the domestic sphere.

"Nor are women brought up with a sense of entitlement that we men are" - probably depends on which women and which men, some women are brought up with a far greater sense of entitlement than than any male I've ever dealt with. Most are not like that just as most men are not violent. The debate is not about the norms but about the impact of those on the extreme's.

"Men have more to fear from other men than women. It is way past time that we joined with women in outing our violent brothers, else you are just part of the problem." - so just what is your objection to having the message being one against all violence rather than selected violence.

Do you think that continuing genderised anti-violence campaigns have any impact on how police and other people who should deal with the issue impartially respond to men and women involved in violence?

I'm getting the impression that most of the objections to the message being against all violence are from those trying to pretend that their own violence against a male partner was justifiable and from those who think that women are less responsible for their own actions than men.

R0bert

Robert

"Do you think that continuing genderised anti-violence campaigns have any impact on how police and other people who should deal with the issue impartially respond to men and women involved in violence?"

While men continue to create most violence, yes I do.

I am man enough to accept this fact.

That you cannot recover from an appalling experience with your ex is sad and reflected in your continued support of male posters who clearly loath women whether they declare themselves to be feminist or not.

"cannot recover from an appalling experience with your ex is sad" - nasty little tactic that. You might consider that it's possible that the experience showed me the massive problems with genderised anti-violence campaigns and those wider problems have not substantially improved despite where I might be in my own life.

I do believe that there is a greater willingness to accept that women can be violent than there was years ago but there is still an ongoing determination by some to dismiss that. Apart from the situation facing those involved there is also the impacts of the mum's lobby trying to get a greater focus on those perceptions in family law. Even if you want to run with the feminist advocacy numbers for proportions of violence committed by the genders those numbers are not reflected in the public advertising.

Of all the government funded ad's on TV, backs of buses, on notice boards etc that you have seen over the last 10 years how many have addressed in any way violence by women? How many have given any comment that physical abuse or "controlling behaviors" are equally wrong when she does it?

"I am man enough to accept this fact." - suggesting what about those men who don't happen to agree with you? No don't answer, I get it, yet another one of those tactics used to try and silence opposing views. Are you "man enough" to accept that women are fully human, able to have pretty much the same range of emotions, decision making choices, good and bad decisions and responsibilities that we expect of adult humans? Are you "man enough" to accept that men are no better or worse than women?

I see a number of posters very critical of men posting on this site who seem utterly unwilling to in any way criticise the extreme comments by some women, is it that you don't think women are as responsible for their actions as men?

R0bert

Robert

When I see a female poster write a comment as extreme as those put forth with nauseating regularity as Proxy et al, I will comment.

For example, nothing Liz45 has written has been an all out attack on all men - just a heart felt description of her own experiences for which she has been pilloried - thus compounding injuries she has already received.

I have never sided with bullies (at my cost) and I never will.

Don't you wonder why some female posters at OLO are rarely seen on these threads?

Go directly to jail: Women are the worst perpetrators of verbal violence against men
http://drhelen.mensnewsdaily.com/2010/01/06/go-directly-to-jail-women-are-the-worst-perpetrators-of-verbal-violence-against-men/

Again I will reiterate, firstly the definition of what is domestic violence gets expanded, to include behaviours, such as manipulation, verbal abuse etc, then people when they argue fall back to arguing about physical violence. Flatly refusing to recognise that by including a whole host of behaviours that the figures get to be inflated.

There is perhaps not a person on this forum who has not seen the situation especially at school or even amongst siblings, where one gets teased, picked on to the point that they crack it and respond in a violent manner, it could be breaking something or hitting back at those who did the teasing.

Whilst we are quick to condem the physical violence, it is oftern ignored that the physical violence can be the result of 'others' pushing their victim over the edge.

Another interesting study in prisons where violent offenders are given anti-depressants has shown a decrease in the level of violence by those offenders.

This would suggest that there is something going on at the neuro-transmitter level that we are not currently aware of.

R0bert, you say: "Do you think that continuing genderised anti-violence campaigns have any impact on how police and other people who should deal with the issue impartially respond to men and women involved in violence?"

Is this a good example?:

'Boo-hoo': judge axes attack case

Author: By BREE FULLER
Date: 04/12/2010
Illawarra Mercury
Section: News
Page: 4

A STRUGGLING single mum who hit her ex with a plastic bottle after he bragged to her about his surfing holiday, while paying her minimal child support, has been vindicated in court.

Office manager Tanya Austin was "at breaking point" when she lashed out and threw a plastic bottle at the face of her ex-partner on September 26.

The Austinmer mum had gone to pick her son up from her ex-partner's flat after a visit when he began telling her about his overseas surfing trip.

It was the final straw for the 36-year-old, who was struggling financially and receiving very little child support from the man.

She threw the plastic tonic water bottle at the man's face, hitting him below the eye.

The man was reportedly shaken up by the incident and suffered some bruising, scratches and tenderness to his face as a result, the court heard previously.

He called police and Ms Austin was charged with, and later pleaded guilty to, one count of common assault.

Yesterday Wollongong District Court Judge Paul Conlon scoffed at the notion the man was "trembling and crying" as a result of being struck by a plastic bottle and said Ms Austin should have never been charged.

"Oh boo-hoo. The bloke should have been told [by police] to man up, quite frankly," he said.

"She has really been left with the total responsibility of bringing up their child. She receives little financial support [from him] ... [and yet] he decided to take himself off on a wonderful surfing holiday and then told her all about it."

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