Liz45:"I'm not a victime(true, I'm not now, but I WAS THEN) "

So you say. What is abundantly clear is that you're a strident shrew, and I doubt that has changed since you were a child.

we are unique:"Liz's postings are indicative of the fact that she is well recovered from all the degradation and violence dished out by her Mysoginist ex husband,"

See this is where we differ. I doubt that Liz45's "misogynist husband" actually existed, I'm afraid. In Lizzy's rather weird mind, it seems that every man she's ever had anything to do with has been "misogynist" and "abusive". It seems to me that when people keep seeing others as abusive it says a great deal more about them than the others.

we are unique:"By degrading women or others, they feel better about themselves in self esteem."

You must know some pretty strange people, because I've never met anyone like that at all except a couple of henpecked older relatives, whos role in their household used to be breadwinner but is now reduced to nuisance, while their wives, who will live an extra 6-10 years than them, continue in their lives as they have always done. From your description they must be feeling extremely disempowered within their home environment to feel they need to separate themselves in a different room. I bet their wives "wear the pants".

we are unique:"No male or female EVER deserves being partnered with a 24/7 Abuser/Mysoginist."

Or a misandrist, like Lizzy and my ex.

See there's the problem, right there. You don't even consider the misandric woman. They used to get a giggle out of putting men down in "Mere Male" stories, but then they got told "he isn't allowed to retaliate no matter what you say"...

People like Liz are the result.

"So you say. What is abundantly clear is that you're a strident shrew, and I doubt that has changed since you were a child."

No matter what I say, as far as you're concerned, if I didn't stand up for myself I'd be weak and pathetic, but because I do,and don't bow down to your image of you - superior, arrogant and with a closed mind, then I'm a shrew! Go and get a life mate!

Because our work is never done and underpaid or boring, and we are the first to get the sack and what we look like is more important than what we do, and if we get raped it's our fault, and if we get bashed we must have provoked it and if we raise our voices we're nagging (b)witches, and if we enjoy sex we're nymphos and if we don't we're frigid and if we love women it's because we can't get a man and if we ask our doctor too many questions we're neurotic and if we stand up for our rights we're aggressive and unfeminine and if we don't we're typical weak females and if we want to get married we're out to trap a man, and if we don't we're unnatural and we still can't get adequate safe contraception but men can walk on the moon, and if we can't cope or don't want a pregnancy we're made to feel guilty about abortion, and - for lots and lots of other reasons, we are part of the Women's Liberation Movement!

Amen! Says it all really!

<“In the sea of conflict, men sink and women swim”–Researcher John Gottman

Many of you have been emailing me about France’s new law banning “psychological violence” against one’s spouse (wife is more like it, I’m sure). Apparently, jail time might even be involved for perpetrators who dare to mock their spouse (wife). Fausta emailed me a post she had written on the topic and asked if I thought women were more likely to be the perpetrators of insults against their husbands. My answer, “absolutely.”

The research bears this out. In psychologist Richard Driscoll’s book Opposites as Equals, there is a section called “Women are more confrontive.” Driscoll discusses the work of John Gottman who observed that women are freer and more open in expressing their anger than are men:

While we might expect men to be more forceful than women in marital arguments, the research shows just the opposite, surprising our expectations.

Women tend to be more insistent, according to various researchers including John Gottman [i] at the University of Washington. Women argue more forcefully in almost twice as many marriages as men.

In the most lopsided arguments where only one argues and the other remains silent, by a ratio of 6 to 1, it is the woman who continues to argue and the man who remains silent.>

I guess Liz and ChapZ want us to be quiet, so that they can hear themselves

@We are unique - Thank you, for your support and knowledge!

@Roscop - this topic is not about abortion. Go to the relevant post and discuss that if you wish. The fact about neonaticide is extremely sad and there's a strong need to investigate this further. If you want to quote from that article(Sun Herald,today)then, don't do it selectively just so you can use this awful situation for your anti-choice stance. These deaths are only a very small number of infant deaths and the subject is too sad/important for you to use!I urge people to read it online if they don't have the paper.Also read Leslie Cannold in Extra!
In the US, the second highest cause of maternal deaths(apart from those relating to pregnancy etc)are homicides(murder) by the woman's husband/partner.

The greatest risk to the health and well being of women in Australia is via their husband/partner's abuse. There's been 2 arrests and another death since I started on this post - less than 10 days!Every 10 days, a woman is murdered by her partner in this country. There's no real stats as to the child deaths due to non-disclosure,but I can think of 3 lots of 3 kids who were murdered by their fathers in the last 7? yrs, but only 2 by mothers - one was outright murder,the other was neglect over weeks - both horrific and inexcusable, and both those women are either in jail or will be!

I know of women who present for a termination who have bruises all over them, and others who present to midwives with boot prints on their pregnant bellies! Let's talk about them eh?

I'm currently on the board of a women's health centre. I was also in the late 80'searly 90's. I've been involved in women's health and work safety issues for over 27 yrs. I do know what I'm talking about!
I have been to many seminars about women's and children's health over this time. I'm also aware of the Older Women's Network,NSW, and their brave account of the violence they suffered in DV situations over many years!

Antiseptic I know both male and females who are controlling or attempt to control their partners throughout life. Control freaks are different altogether [if degradation and violence is not involved].

This does not dismiss the symptoms regarding the disease Mysoginists have and for those sufficiently brave and honest about their disease; diagnosed and treated.

Okay, do I really need to spell out my experience with the primary symptoms, common of the disease?

Liz

I believe you when you say that you dislike violence. The big question is whether or not you can resolve conflicts in a way that doesn't damage your relationships. Based on your handling of an internet debate anyone would have doubts. If you want to change, you could start by not seeing all criticism as evidence of sexism.