Hey Johnny, I don’t know if you are back.

I was saying my experiences in life as far as violence go were pretty gender balanced then I gave a few examples. Then I said I hated you all equally but then said I was kidding and I used a phrase about groups of men I learnt here on OLO back in the NRL thread.

I suggested the women currently absent could choose to come back and even the numbers up a bit but I wanted to hear what the men had to say whether we feel outnumbered or not, hardly their fault. Oh and that I mostly like Anti’s snide comments and usually find them quite funny. Funnier if not directed at me of course.

I didn’t comment on Liz but I thought she was cruising along okay.

R0bert I hold the genders to different standards, I think most of us do. If society didn’t the male and female rights groups wouldn’t have much to discuss. Somewhere else my online name is Lord Vlad (don’t ask) and it is amazing what Vlad can say without anyone being shocked.

R0bert:”Quite true but if another male assaults me I can try and defend myself and or expect real help from the authorities. If attacked by a female partner an attempt at defense may well leave me blamed for the incident.”

I guess that is a good enough example of it. I’m wondering if we are more shocked when a woman is accused of violent crime and are less taken aback when men are since the common belief is that they are naturally more aggressive. Which actually would work for more tolerance of male violence wouldn’t it?

Completely lost track of what point I was making there. Are we ignoring some real basic stuff about humans?

We have seen that if a female kills her kid she is considered mentally unbalanced where a man hit the child too hard in a rage? Is it wrong though? Equal rights ignore the fact we aren’t equal?

@benk - Your experience tells us nothing about other people's experience.

Do you know what? I couldn't give a fig! My life's experiences are not meant to teach you anything or even "tell" you anything. How can it, when your ears a super-glued? I said from the beginning that I abhor ALL violence. If you didn't read that or work it out,that's not my problem.

I did not instigate violence, and I do not have to justify my existence or my story to you or RObert or Antiseptic(what a laugh). You are exactly what you accuse me of being - you are misogynists due to your dealings in the family court or wherever, and want to blame all women for it. I don't give a fig whether you believe me or not. ONce I would have, but not now! Next yr will be 50 yrs since I met my ex husband. I'm a more aware woman now, with a self belief system that has taken me a while to achieve. People like you are a dime a dozen, and not worth a spit.

If you all collectively want to latch on to surveys or isolated cases that beef up your assertions, bully for you. I choose to read many reports, surveys that are more inclusive, coupled with following news items etc, and what you blokes assert are JUST NOT TRUE!

MY EX THREATENED ME AGAIN, ONLY 7 YEARS AGO. HE COULD "TALK TO PEOPLE"? The inference, tell lies and put them off! He admitted to never telling our children the truth, but his contribution was "get over it" as was his partner's? Great stuff! Upstanding people!She asserted that she knew about our relationship, that she'd "spoken to others"? I didn't ask her what part of the relevant houses she lived in to know so much! Amazing!

Your language and childish protestations mean nothing to me, in fact, they only make me wonder why your relationships broke up in the first place! Where did the fault lie?

Jewely "I hold the genders to different standards, I think most of us do" I think that you are right. It becomes a real problem though when the government start's to do it.

"Equal rights ignore the fact we aren’t equal?" - all right's pretty much have to ignore it, it's very rare for any two people to be so identical that they could be said to be equal, gender is probably the least of it.

There was a great book put out some years ago by a feminist author called "When She Was Bad" ( Patricia Pearson ). She explores societies perceptions about female violence and it's impact on women. It's a worthwhile read if you are interested in an alternative take on the issue (and I don't recall her saying anything bad about stay at home mum's). She makes the point that women are harmed by societies denial of female violence.

"the common belief is that they are naturally more aggressive" - the other part of that is that aggressive get's tied to the physical. The "assertive" ones who use whatever non-physical tactics they can to try and force their views apparently are not aggressive.

BTW I'm not suggesting that Liz is being overly successful at bullying anybody, rather rebutting the idea that it's poor innocent little Liz who's being bullied by those nasty men as both Liz and others seem to want to claim. Liz dishes it out thick and fast, she is not a victim here.

R0bert

@RObert - I see , so because I give it back, put forward my 'case' I'm not a victime(true, I'm not now, but I WAS THEN) but you can put up every bit of nonsense you can muster, and we're supposed to believe you? Why is that? Remind me! Is it because as a bloke, you're automatically deemed to be superior, correct, just, independent and who knows what? Do you even know what truth is? You have no idea about truth or justice, and what's more, you don't give a fig!

If women cry and plead and? we're deemed to be weak and pathetic. If we stand up for ourselves, we're aggressive females; loud and aggressive and of course, non-feminine! Any non-biased person reading these posts would have to come to the conclusion, that due to your misogynist and hateful opinion of women, we're always wrong, and you'll only read information that fits in with your dogma! I know it's bs and so do you!

Go have a cry and then do some serious thinking and analysis!

Roscop:

Your above comments directed to Liz were bullying, designed and implemented to degrade and blame Liz [as a victim in her previous relationship]for the physical violence that Liz endured for many years [according to her experiences].

Your comments during this thread towards Liz are extremely sad [for you], however Liz's courageous participation as a 'past' victim, indicates quite clearly that she is an intelligent, strong, well balanced, and gender fair individual.

Please take note of the term "past" victim.

Liz's postings are indicative of the fact that she is well recovered from all the degradation and violence dished out by her Mysoginist ex husband, a physical and mental Mysoginist [a mental illness within some males who have either endured abuse, assaults or degradation, often as a child or perceived to be significantly let down by a female, a key figure in their lives at some point].

It is common for Mysoginistic traits to be exhibited after 'securing' in their own minds [the Mysoginist], a partner they are able to inflict their misery upon for years in adulthood.

Mysoginists admit this and I know quite a few of these people [two now elderly] who fully admit to the disease readily and sadly. After outbursts, when their loved close ones are reeling from the shock of the attacks, both mentally and physically, these men retreat into another room feeling ashamed, yet 'good about themselves' in another way that is difficult for them to explain. By degrading women or others, they feel better about themselves in self esteem.

Read a few stories and experiences from self proclaimed Mysoginists on the net Roscop, as you are blaming innocent victims of men who are Mysoginists/Abusers.

The facts are: it was irrelevant as to who Liz's ex husband the Mysoginist partnered throughout life. The manipulation, acting and abuse [the circus] was set in full swing [the victim/partner totally unaware] of the years of degradation about to begin.

No male or female EVER deserves being partnered with a 24/7 Abuser/Mysoginist.

Liz45, we are unique and others, note:

There is no form of domestic violence more vile than killing totally defenseless babies.
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Angela Shanahan From: The Australian December 18, 2010

"...the notion that a mother could not kill her baby is demonstrably false. Not only do mothers kill their infants, but when an infant is killed it is usually by the mother."

"The findings showed that more than five times the number of French infants are killed by their mothers within 24 hours of birth -- neonaticide -- than the official mortality statistics have indicated..."

"Although there is much more abuse and killing of children by mothers (and boyfriends of mothers) than fathers, we tend to excuse mothers. We may well ask why."