Proxy,

“My words don't cause homosexuals to suffer and die.”

Please quote what I said. Your words and those of the likeminded.

“Homosexual behaviour is the root cause of their suffering.”

Bit of a Freudian there, hey. This is incidental, the same as syphilis is incidental. Education and condemnation would be a big help with this.

“It is statistically demonstrable.”

So is death by car accident. Why aren’t you railing against that?

“If you're alluding to homosexual suicide, it is consistently higher than that of normal people even in countries where homosexual marriage has been legalised.”

Supply a non Christian reference for that. Gay and lesbian people are hounded about their sexuality at a time when they are formulating a world view. It is not surprising that there are more suicides.

“I am neither "the aggravator (nor) the aggrieved".

You are the aggressor in vilifying homosexuality. More than a little over the top and I wonder why?

“I'm just bringing facts to the table-“

You are so good. Who are you trying to help with these selected facts?

“Why is it so?

Homosexual behaviour.”

Sexual behaviour has its dangers. No news here.

“Not to warn children of the vastly higher danger of homosex versus normal sex is a crime.”

‘Warn’ is a poor choice of words. What about inform them in comprehensive sex education classes. Oh, I forgot, you would rather keep children ignorant of their sexuality. Some see this as hypocrisy especially about those who rabbit on incessantly in a homophobic manner.

Continued next Post.

“Homosexuals: one percent of the population
Homosexuals: 53% of all new HIV infections, (add more diseases here...)”

A source would be nice for the 1% figure from a non Christian location. And who cares if they are .5 of a percent. Oppression is oppression is oppression and is not dependent on numbers of the oppressed.

Do you mean 53% world wide. If so, supply a source that is non Christian.

By the way, have you had a good look at The Potential Wedding Album? http://www.thepotentialweddingalbum.org/

What did you think? Give us your thoughts.

And, what do you want. For lesbians and gays to give up sex or for them to turn straight?

Do you know any homosexual people?

David

1% of population is homosexual:
http://www.gcn.ie/feature.aspx?articleid=2939&sectionid=14
That would be "Gay" Community News, a right wing fundamentalist Christian web-site.

53% of new HIV infections are homosexual:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf
That would be the Centers for Disease Control, a propaganda organ for the Vatican masquerading as a US govt agency.

Proxy,

I must correct myself. I said, “This is incidental, the same as syphilis is incidental. Education and condemnation would be a big help with this.”

I meant to say, “This is incidental, the same as syphilis is incidental. Education without condemnation would be a big help with this.”

Here is a more realistic look at the stats on the number of homosexual numbers. And as I stated, even if it is half of one percent, oppression is still oppression.

And of course, the stigma perpetuated by you and you ilk makes the gathering of stats on this subject very difficult. You really are a creep. Add that to your list.

http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm

Causes of infection. (Reasonably common figures)

http://www.avert.org/worlstatinfo.htm
"Globally, around 11% of HIV infections are among babies who acquire the virus from their mothers; 10% result from injecting drug use; 5-10% are due to sex between men; and 5-10% occur in healthcare settings. Sex between men and women accounts for the remaining proportion – around two thirds of new infections."

This does lead to the glaringly obvious question as to why you have to exaggerate everything in the negative about homosexuality.

And can you answer the other questions I have posed or don’t expect to be taken seriously.

David

"Sorry Riz, your classification of alternative views as 'red herrings' is transparently rejectionist. You don't like that view so.. simply attack it or blame it, or make it walk the plank... but accept it as a valid democratic view ? nope.. don't see that.

But rejecting a report of an actual incident which reflects the position of the Gay Lobby (from it's 'father superior' Rodney) ? that's bigotry mate."
-ALGOREisRICH

How can I explain this any more simply?

I am trying to have debate about homosexuality.
You were attempting to introduce an argument about polygamy.
Polygamy is not the same as homosexuality. Look it up in the dictionary.
Arguments whose subject matter is A, in a debate about B, are irrelevant, and hence fallacious.
Arguments about A intended to distract discussion away from B are called red herrings, and they're definitely fallacious.

It's not bigotry, it's logic. Again, consult a dictionary. A decent book on introductory logic might also be a wise investment.

"Homosex > disease > suffering > death.
It is statistically demonstrable."
-Proxy

Yes, it is. But there are thousands of nouns and verbs that I could substitute for 'homosex', and still have your assertion be peferctly sound. You seem strangely focused on just one of the many, many things that lead to disease and death. Doesn't the other 99% pf the population deserve some of your compassion*?
*sarcasm

"Fact.
Not to warn children of the vastly higher danger of homosex versus normal sex is a crime."
-Proxy.

Fact: children already are. As I've already said, this sort of thing is covered in their PD/H/PE lessons. No, they don't have the teacher stand up in front of the class and scream 'being a faggot will kill you', as I'm sure you'd like them to. This is because teenagers are naturally cynical, and will regard such extreme assertions with the appropriate level of scepticism.
to be continued...

...continued
Now, Proxy, a question which puzzles me: if homosexuality is the driving force behind the AIDS epidemic, why is that Africa, the continent with the highest rates of AIDS in the world, is home to many countries where homosexuality is illegal, and many more where homosexuals are persecuted? And why is it that countries which are tolerant of homosexuality, such as many European nations, enjoy comparatively low HIV-AIDS rates?