> > I get it.
> > I'm vilifying and you're being reasonable.
> > Glad we sorted that out.

Oh darling, you're so cute when you pout.

I think that parliamentarians should have a conscience vote on every issue. That way much more progressive legislation would be passed.

Indeed, political parties should have no special status in parliament. They're not even mentioned in the Constitution.

Look who's out of rehab!

Welcome back, CJ

Wolfey :) no if CJ was in 'rehab' we could expect an improvement :) but it's the same old "progressive" stuff. But we need it for sure.. to highlight our own positions.

@BLUE... I'm sorry you don't share my belief structure.. we could agree more if you did. The thing is.. I'm not 'imposing' it on you, I'm putting it out there as part of our democratic society. I'm showing what a book which (according to a recent census) 69% of Australians are likely to regard as 'holy' says about the matter in question.

I have less than zero time for what Bob Brown says on the issue I'm afraid.. he and his ilk.. Rodney Croome and other activists care nothing for how the rest of society feel, they simply want to CHANGE us..and that to my mind is 'imposition'. I've watched Rodney in Action and met him personally.. a very nice bloke to be truthful, except when you push his buttons on this kind of issue..then he becomes deceptive and evasive, which is understandable as he is only interested in making 'his' case and changing our law.

Such are most politicians.

<<On the other hand, your words added to those of the likeminded, cause actual suffering, sometimes death and at least social disadvantage>>

My words don't cause homosexuals to suffer and die.
Homosexual behaviour is the root cause of their suffering.
Homosex > disease > suffering > death.
It is statistically demonstrable.

If you're alluding to homosexual suicide, it is consistently higher than that of normal people even in countries where homosexual marriage has been legalised.

I am neither "the aggravator (nor) the aggrieved".

I'm just bringing facts to the table-

Homosexuals: one percent of the population
Homosexuals: 53% of all new HIV infections, (add more diseases here...)

Why is it so?

Homosexual behaviour.
Fact.
Not to warn children of the vastly higher danger of homosex versus normal sex is a crime.

@Riz

//Go back and read what I've said to Al about red herrings, then come back when you think you can formulate a decent response without recourse to fallacious arguments.//

Sorry Riz, your classification of alternative views as 'red herrings' is transparently rejectionist. You don't like that view so.. simply attack it or blame it, or make it walk the plank... but accept it as a valid democratic view ? nope.. don't see that.

But rejecting a report of an actual incident which reflects the position of the Gay Lobby (from it's 'father superior' Rodney) ? that's bigotry mate.

He said "That won't happen"
I showed "It's already happened"

Nothing 'red' or fishy about that.