#To mikk

You state:

"So where would the border be? And how does that relate to the map on your blog? http://www.jordanispalestine.blogspot.com/
which just for those who havent noticed shows Israel occupying all of the West Bank and Gaza."

The border between Jordan and Israel will be delineated through the West Bank in direct negotiations between Jordan and Israel. I would expect around 90% of the West Bank to become Jordan's sovereign territory.

Miracles can happen. I never thought I would see the day when you would start looking at solutions to the conflict.

You unfortunately blot your copybook with this choice remark:

"You keep rabbiting on about the arabs, and presumably the rest of us, having to recognise Israel as "a jewish state" with a seeming total blindness to the fact that here in Australia(and the rest of the western world)we do not recognise theocracies and rule by religion. We believe in separation of church and state and for good reason. We will not be recognising any such religious state be it jewish, islamic or any other religion ruling over its people. Mullahs,rabbis or priests ruling over anybody leads to very bad outcomes for society as we have seen time and time again throughout history."

Doesn't Australia recognize the 21 Islamic Arab states and the 36 other Islamic states that together make up the 57 members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference? Are they ruled over by mullahs or by secular governments? Their majority populations are all Islamic

Is it that difficult for you to understand and recognize the concept of a "Jewish state" in the same breath - ie a State the majority of whose population are Jewish ruled by a secular government?

Australia was at the forefront of creating and recognizing the Jewish State.

Do you want the Jews to be deprived of their one State in the world and replaced with a 22nd Arab Islamic state?

You are entitled to maintain that view but I am entitled to my view that such an opinion is Jew hatred of the worst kind.

David Singer would you please define precisely what is "a jew". In a television documentary recently about Israel a fairhaired, blue eyed, jewish/Israeli, female citizen proudly exclaimed that she was a"jew" but did not believe in a god!By her colouring she certainly was not an ethnic semitic jew but an ashkanazi jew.
So what ethnically or religiously gives her the right to call herself a jew and how could any contrary discussion about her questionable jewish status be condemned as 'anti-semetic'? Would not this statement apply to at least 30-40% of the jewish Israeli State population in the instance of jew as a religion and probably 70-80% in the case of ethnicity and right to be in 'the jewish state'?
Therefore Mr Singer what is a 'jew'?

"Thanks for that gem of wisdom from the spectator section. It contributes nothing to a serious discussion of resolving the conflict."

Ah .. so sorry, is that what you're having with mikk, DavidG, gazzaboy, poirot and others?

"a serious discussion of resolving the conflict", it looks more like a game of adversarial tennis .. but I'm probably wrong, happens all the time.

I thought it was just people expressing their opinions here on OLO, seems I've wandered into the peace talks .. what do you reckon the score is?

While Jews are involved in any 'peace talks', there will be no peace talks, rpg!

They have been pretending to be involved in peace talks since 1967 and all the while they've been building settlements, carrying out genocide against the Palestinians, building up their army (with America assistance), acquiring nuclear weapons (with American assistance), carrying out continuous brutality against the Palestinians to try to break them and force them to move elsewhere, demolishing Palestinian homes, destroying their farms, shooting Palestinian children, stealing Palestinian taxes, starving them, and planning how to build Greater Israel (with American assistance),etc.

When Israel is relocated to America, then peace might stand a chance!

rpg,

I seem to have the ability to get under your skin - "you see what you are, a supporter of terrorism". Now, those are strong words, but as you seem to be prone to hysteria, I'll ignore them.

Talking of funding, I don't suppose you have any objections to U.S. funding of Israel. No? Funny, I could have predicted you'd say that.
According to the U.S. Congressional Research Service, Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since WWII. Since 1985, the U.S. has provided nearly $3 Billion in grants annually to Israel, almost all of it bilateral aid in the form of military assistance.
In August 2007, the Bush Administration announced that it would increase U.S. military assistance to Israel by $6 Billion - the agreement calls for incremental annual increases in foreign Military Financing to Israel reaching $3 Billion a year by FY2012.
Aside from this, Israel seems to be doing all right out of the "War on Terror". According to Naomi Klein (The Shock Doctrine) The Israel Export Institute estimates that Israel has 350 corporations dedicated to selling homeland security products. Israel is the forth largest arms dealer in the world (larger than the U.K.). 60% of all exports are in technology, many which are security related - it seems that if peace broke out it would seriously curtail Israel's economy.
And lastly, I wasn't angry at Constance. I was merely extending an invitation to join the discussion in a more fulsome manner.

poirot - I'll ignore your deliberate baiting of course, but remind you of it.

Idon't think either Israel or the Palestinians should get any funding or support from anyone, don't you get that?

you keep seeing it from your adversarial, "if you don't agree with me then obviously you are hostile to my viewpoint" .. step away from it all and have a look.

neither participant can disconnect from the supporters, they have an obligation to the supporters to meet their (the supporters and cheersquads) objectives, which just complicates things further.

I do realize of course that if Israel disconnects, it will mean nuclear war when the Arab nations attack them the instant USA disconnects.

so be it .. inshallah, when that is over, then there will be peace - it seems the only way this can play out is for someone to ultimately strike so hard that nothing is in question - that's the way it has always been in this region .. they are so primitive.