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Whose rights are they anyway? The children's? : Comments

By Bill Muehlenberg, published 3/9/2010

Same s*x adoption. Are children just guinea pigs in this radical social experiment?

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All this argument about gay adoption is rather silly anyway, given that there are so few kids available for adoption in Australia.
A male, homosexual couple would have an almost nil chance of adopting an unrelated child at all!

Carrying on about the evils of most one parent families not working well
must surely upset the millions of parents around the world who have had to do this after one parent was killed in a war.

Did we see mass problems with kids after they lost their fathers en mass
after the world wars?

Kids are very resilient, and if they can't have both a mother and a father to grow up with, then most will manage just fine.
Posted by suzeonline, Saturday, 4 September 2010 1:20:54 AM
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Bugsy, with all due respect, i couldnt care less what one does behind closed bedroom doors, and i have no problems leaving my kiddo's with my gay aunt on the school holidays because she is an awesome person and a great influence in my life, i see her no different to my straight uncle.
So hopefully now you understand i am not a homophobe!
My story involves being born during a feminist movement that advocated that women dont need men, men could sow their wild oats regardless of consequences and little kids being born in the middle of the breakdown of the family unit all with society ignorant to the effect it would have on the kids, just so the adults could have it their way!
Sure there are millions of us who grew up and learned to cope with it, but the question is, why put that pressure on a kid? Just because kids find a way to cope doesnt make it right to give them something they will need to learn how to cope with!
No doubt my mum thought id get over it, that as long as i had her i would cope.. guess what, i would have rathered to know the alleged "jerk", then to have spent years wishing he was around!
Btw, i do not condone children being ridiculed by their peers, its what kids do, despite the lengths gay activists go to, to demand tolerance, kids will never see it as natural unless manipulated by those who advocate it and are taught to defend it.
Children should be giggling with embarrassment about sexual issues, not having to defend the ones they love for their sexual preferences, nor should they have to wish and wonder why they dont have a mum and dad like their friends do and spend a childhood being different from everyone else!
only time will tell what affects it will have, but if you think its totally harmless to all children, you may be in for a big surprise
Posted by Mumsy, Saturday, 4 September 2010 1:52:48 AM
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The issue about gay adoption actually has more to do with a partner being able to adopt the natural child of his or her partner.

Considering that most lesbian mothers conceive via sperm donors who have no claim whatsoever to the child, the partner who has been with the child often for years and who is a de facto parent is simply asking to legalise the arrangement.

As pointed out there are few children up for adoption, and so this is a complete furphy.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 4 September 2010 7:31:22 AM
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The children in dispute are as Shadow Minister points out, the children of a partner in an established gay relationship, and children who are already being fostered by gay couples.

There are very few children available for adoption in this country who are not already in care of some kind. Even heterosexuals have to go overseas to adopt. This is because the cruel Christian moralities of earlier times that forced women to relinquish children born "out of wedlock" no longer control our society, so mothers keep their offspring instead of "putting them up for adoption."

The adoption of children described in the first paragraph should be of no concern to anyone. It is very cruel to those children to leave them in a legal limbo, without rights and protections that other children automatically have. This is not about the sexual preferences of the adoptive parents. It is about the child's right to equality in this world.

Christians have as usual tried to over-rule those concerns with their take on the morality of same sex relationships. All they are doing is preventing justice for these children. This is what Christians usually do - they manage to make their moral take dominant at the expense of a wider justice and decency.

The reality is there is no source of newborns for adoption anymore. There are many children needing fostering and adoption, and they usually aren't cute newborns with no tough miles on the clock. If these children can be loved and cherished by same sex couples, who has any right to deny them that opportunity? Especially if that denial is based on nothing more than a religious morality.

All you people who refuse the idea of same sex adoption, just think about those children for a minute. Because contrary to what you argue, it is solely about those children and giving them a chance at life.
Posted by briar rose, Saturday, 4 September 2010 8:31:53 AM
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Well said suzeonline, Shadow Minister and briar rose. This article is a disingenuous beat-up by fundamentalist Christian activist who wants to maintain the current discrimination against gay people and their kids.

Why don't these godbotherers ever argue honestly?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Saturday, 4 September 2010 8:39:34 AM
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I think this article is an absolute disgrace. Clearly this author has not done his research and knows nothing about the working of the minds of homosexual parents. He describes them as selfish and "wrong" but does he not realise that homosexual people want kids just for the same reasons as most heterosexual people want them, which is to give them love and happiness?

There are so many kids brought up in drug addicted and abusive heterosexual homes, and yet you're probably alright with this but somehow it is bad when a gay couple adopt a kid and give it love. Yes, obviously you are on the right track here!

Having no father/mother but two of one will not harm the child the way you claim it will. Having a father or mother who doesn't care would indeed harm the child but in the case of homosexual parents the child would have two parents who love it very much, and yet you see that as wrong?

Reading this article makes me think of attitudes of 50 years ago. It is people like the author who cause equality for gay people to never happen, with his un-founded views and lack of empathy
Posted by fiiishh, Saturday, 4 September 2010 9:09:58 AM
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