Chaz

We are happy to discuss solutions, but you may not like what we come up with. The simplest way to reduce child abuse is shared parenting. It reduces the amount of stress on the parent with most custody and ensures that the children have two networks of adults keeping an eye on them. Child abusers choose children that few adults spend time with.

Lowering child support payments is another step foward. It ensures that parents want to spend time with their kids for the right reasons, not simply to save money.

BTW Don't think we haven't noticed the amount of ill-will coming from your direction. In future, you might consider making actual specific suggestions and providing a rationale for them.

Pynchme, in your zeal, you seem not to have noticed one little thing: my child was not afraid of me, but was doing the mother's bidding. The abuser was the mother, both for telling my children the lie that I was likely to hurt them and even more so for forcing the child to act as a mouthpiece for her while she hid behind the door. No doubt you think that makes her heroic.

You wouldn't know child abuse if you fell over it while it was happening.

Pynchme:"Like another poster (Cotter I think), I can't talk about cases, "

And like Cotter, that's because they don't exist except in your twisted mind. You're not only no sort of professional mental health worker, you're nothing but a liar and a fraud.

You offer nothing of interest, say nothing worth listening to, give no genuine information, have no knowledge, provide no insight. You're a waste of oxygen.

No wonder the Pomeranian wants to hump your leg and the "women with testosterone" want to give you a hug (or whatever it is they give each other - probably herpes).

Was that better, Formersnag?

Benk, your summary is spot on. There is an enormous disparity between the power of women and men to call on the help of the State.

That has lead to very real disadvantage for men, especially low-income men with poor educations, who appear in the Court. As a member of this forum told me privately, "if it was that bad for a well-educated, well-connected man like me, it must be terrible for a yobbo in a blue singlet"

It has also lead to a massive number of single mother households from which Dad is excluded, which has lead to many more kids being placed at risk.

If the victim-riders were serious, they'd be pushing for more shared care, instead of trying to create more victims to ride. As pynchme has shown, they are all about themslves, the kids are just a means to an end and if Mum does the abusing, they simply can't see it.

Anti. Apart from placing more children at risk of abuse and neglect, it is also producing huge numbers of dysfunctional children who don't have a father in their lives to give them the discipline and guidance which is traditionally the responsibility of the father. I believe studies in the US have shown that over 70% of children and young adults that go through the criminal/legal system come from homes where there is no biological father figure. Perhaps our own government should do some studies here on that subject. The social engineering agenda's of the extreme feminist groups [ as opposed to mainstream feminism] is slowly but surely leading to the breakdown of our society. These modern day feminist extremists are more interested in stripping men/fathers of their rights than furthering their own.

eyeinthesky: <"I believe studies in the US have shown that over 70% of children and young adults that go through the criminal/legal system come from homes where there is no biological father figure.">

At least one million children (19%) of a total of 3-4 million aged 0-14, living with one parent.

"The number of children living with one parent is projected to increase to between 1.4 and 2.1 million in 2026 (up from 1.3 million children in 2001)."
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/3236.0Media%20Release12001%20to%202026?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=3236.0&issue=2001%20to%202026&num=&view=

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mf/3236.0

There are approx. 24,000 prisoners Australia wide - 20% indigenous and about 7% female.

Even IF what you're saying (using US Menz site statements and, as usual, poorly founded) were true - that would mean that criminal behaviour of less than 18,000 of 1,000,000 young people may be attributed to being raised by a sole parent.

Btw: the highest proportion of male and female criminals in Australia exists in the NT (at 942.9 per 100,000 adult population, compared to the nation average of 290.8 per 100,000 adult population), where
"Unlike other states and territories, the Northern Territory has more lone male households (8,000 in 2001) than lone female households (5,000 in 2001)." - but nevermind, since household type and criminality is a correlation (and a weak one) in a range of factors - the strongest of which is poverty. Others include the amount of conflict and violence to which the child is exposed and mother's educational level.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ExjWDtstbQYC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=fatherlessness+and+criminality&source=bl&ots=UOGLLFtHpa&sig=oSJaV5oSbF9aQYi8wb1I7Ogcgg4&hl=en&ei=Dp6AS6z6DI2AsgOppeXrAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=criminality&f=false

In any case, as Michael Kimmel points out, comparing single parent households to two person households for the purposes of determining factors leading to criminality is a false comparison - the comparison should be made between single person households where the children grow up fine, and single person households in which a criminal develops.

There have always been fatherless households either through war, abandonment or natural attrition.

Antiseptic: I understand how much rage you must be experiencing especially to be pantzed in public. I'm sorry but given your stance and this particular medium of exchange for responding to that; it's unavoidable.

You can dress it up all you like, but the raw data speaks for itself. Why would you not support studies done in australia to identify this problem. Would you?. I note that you people constantly criticise us using the WA figures on child abuse and neglect, yet despite attempts to get released the figures of other states under FOI, those states have by and large refused to do so.WHY?. Would you support our fight for the release of all relevent data on this subject?. And if not why not.

eyeinthesky: <"but the raw data speaks for itself.">

You didn't supply any. However, statistics for Australia refute your claim by a landslide.

I don't know who you're referring to as "you people constantly criticise us" and in "... you don't support release of figures under FOI". This all sounds a bit dramatic.

What figures is it that you're seeking and WHO is refusing to give them to you? What study has been proposed that's been refused data? Have you any PROOF of what you're saying?

I support any research related to child abuse. I despise any child abuser regardless of sex.

Btw - nobody can stop you doing research on this topic. Why don't you and some of your cohorts get busy with it. Or is it more of a situation of you not knowing how to proceed?