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Some grievances last for generations

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Last Saturday (the fourth Saturday of November) was the say Ukraine sets aside to memorialise the Holodomor.

The Holodomor is the generic name given to the famine that occurred in Ukraine in 1932-33.Whether it was an attempted genocide of the Ukrainian people by the Russian leadership, an attempt to destroy Ukrainian opposition or just the theft of food to placate Russians suffering due to the failed collectivisation of Russian agriculture, what is clear is that the death toll was somewhere between 5 and 10 million and that the Russian did nothing to alleviate it and actively worked to stop others doing so..

These type of tragedies sear deep into the national consciousness and transcend generations. This partly explains why there is such ill-feeling in Ukraine (particularly western Ukraine) toward Russians and why the resistance to another conquest is so stout.

In a similar vein, in recent weeks it has been revealed that mass graves have been found in Moldova containing tens of thousands of Jews murdered by the Russians under Lenin. Again, this level of massacre becomes part of the nation conscious and explains why Moldova has little warmth for Russia.
http://worldisraelnews.com/huge-100-year-old-jewish-mass-grave-discovered-in-moldova/

Russia did this type of thing throughout the Soviet Empire, both under Lenin and Stalin, such that, when given the opening, republics exited Russian rule with alacrity.

There are times when animosity between peoples is so deeply entrenched that reconciliation of those peoples is effectively impossible. The animosity might be forcibly suppressed but is never erased.

We see the same thing in the Greek-Turkey stand-off as well as the Balkans where people still fret over atrocities committed in the 15th century.

We do well to recognise that sometimes disagreements between peoples has many more deep-routed causes than might be immediately apparent.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 28 November 2022 4:10:06 PM
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And, the Woke think they can legislate against that ??
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 6:23:29 AM
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That's grand.
Blame Russia for what they did to Jews post Russian revolution, but don't say anything about what the Jews did to Russia to cause it.

Was the Russian Revolution Jewish?
'A hundred years after the Bolsheviks swept to power, historians and contemporaries still struggle to understand the prominent role played by Jews.'
http://www.jpost.com/magazine/was-the-russian-revolution-jewish-514323

You seem to misunderstand the difference between USSR and Bolsheviks and Modern Russia.
The 'Russian Reds' are Bolsheviks.

Regarding Moldova, don't bother mentioning the tens of thousands of people who have protested their pro-western government in recent months, and btw, the graves mentioned in your article were located in Transnistra.

"We do well to recognise that sometimes disagreements between peoples has many more deep-routed causes than might be immediately apparent."

You might do well to recognise the 'hate for Russians' is promoted in part by the western taxpayer sending aid, with Ukrainian nationalist curriculum teaching kids to hate from the moment they start school.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 6:35:57 AM
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These people bring their ancient hatreds with them to 'multicultural' Australia.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 7:44:53 AM
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Der mhaze,

You offer: "These type of tragedies sear deep into the national consciousness and transcend generations." but seem to recoil in horror when the same is acknowledged for indigenous Australians.

Why do you think that is?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 8:40:59 AM
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British historian Robert Conquest wrote "The Harvest
of Sorrow," which was published in 1986 by Oxford
University Press. A book which is a full history of
one of the most horrenduous human tragedies of the
20th century.

"In the case of the Holodomor (Ukrainian famine 1932-33)
this was the first genocide that was methodically planned out
and perpetrated by depriving the very people who were
producers of food of their nourishment (for survival). What
is especially horrific is that the withholding of food was
used as a weapon of genocide and that it was done in a
region of the world known as the "breadbasket of Europe!" -
Prof. Andrea Groziosi, University of Naples.

" In 1832 and 1933 millions of Ukrainians were killed in the
Holodomor, a man made famine engineered by the Soviet Government
of Joseph Stalin. The primary victims of the Holodomor
(literally " death by starvation) were rural farmers and
villagers, who made up rougly 80 percent of Ukraine's
population in the 1930s."

"While it is impossible to determine the precise number of
victims of the Ukraine genocide, most estimates by scholars
range roughly 3.5 million to 7 million (with some estimates
going even higher)."
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 9:50:14 AM
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