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Some grievances last for generations
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Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 5:15:46 PM
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"So the Jews had it coming to them?"
I never said that, but now you have. Maybe it's you that thinks that since you mentioned it? Why even suggest it? Do I seem like an active and devout member of the NKVD to you? Do you think I was alive in Russia in the 1930's? Is it my fault this happened to others in the years prior to my being born? And even if I did think they had it coming to them; Then thoughts are still completely different to actions are they not? I didn't commit those acts and I resent you trying to tar me with the brush of those that did. Do you wish to portray me as someone who would commit these acts? If so, then grow up. It's really not my fault if Jews want to brag about their involvement in the Russian Revolution in the Jerusalem Post. How many Russians themselves died under the Soviet Union? It makes Palestinian losses under Israeli occupation look like a drop in the ocean. I could suggest your anti-Russian sentiment is actually Pro-Ukrainian Jew sentiment. Who runs Ukraine? Zelensky, Shmyhal, Reznikov, Yermak, all Jewish. Funny how Jews actually are involved in a lot of major wars... What about Zelensky's backer Ihor Kolomoisky? http://www.haaretz.com/2014-10-18/ty-article/.premium/the-most-powerful-jew-in-the-world/0000017f-ea28-d639-af7f-ebffe41b0000 So what now? If I post a link to Haaretz, maybe you can accuse me of carrying out NAZI war crimes too, with your logic? It's not my fault you tried to blame Russia for things that happened to Jews after the Russian revolution, but failed to acknowledge Jews own hand in this eventuality. Really what did you expect? Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 6:52:54 PM
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All cultures are NOT equal, and I am very pleased to belong to one which is NOT burdened with ancient hatreds and grudges. I am not pleased with the appallingly stupid policy of multiculturalism, whereby we see many of the cranks who are still seething about something that happened generations ago in Eastern Europe or elsewhere, coming here.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 6:55:31 PM
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"AC asserts: 'You seem to misunderstand the difference between USSR and Bolsheviks and Modern Russia.'
Since I hadn't mentioned the USSR or the Bolsheviks I wonder how he'd know that. But...well it is AC. " Exactly. Did you consider the possibility that it was actually your failure to mention them? You referred to them as 'Russians' instead of 'Soviets' in your first few opening paragraphs which is relevant considering they're no longer the same thing. Maybe it was an honest mistake, with built-in bias) You try to tar me with a 'murderers' brush. Then you try to tar today's Russians with a Soviet brush, Which itself was a Jewish-Socialist brush. - And lets not forget that socialism actually came from the West, from England and Europe and imported TO Russia. Jews funded and carried out the Russian Revolution. They funded Hitler too, through the Warburgs and their bank in Hamburg. - As well as other American Industrialists... which is why they never bombed IG Farben, where the Jews were kept in concentration camps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp#/media/File:FARBEN_DWORY.png Then you have the fact the modern state of Israel was founded on terrorism with the King David Hotel bombing, and the ruling Likud party founded by those same terrorists who carried out the bombing. (Menachem Begin) Truth is stranger than fiction. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 7:26:13 PM
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Jews may have even done worse to the Palestinians that what was done to them, and even worse they've been doing it for much longer and still keep doing the same thing. It's a bit hypocritical to complain about being treated like animals when they continue to treat others the same way. Tell me why my Great Grandfather was in Gaza as a 1st Australian Lighthorseman earning a Distinguished Service Order fighting for the blood-stained future state of Israel? "Again, this level of massacre becomes part of the nation conscious and explains why Moldova has little warmth for Russia." Now tell me why Europe historically had little warmth for Jews? Everything you say here just seems to come back and kick you in the butt. Maybe you conveniently forgot the part Jews paid in helping to establish the soviet empire. And yes, it's sad that so many 'people' die in these conflicts. (maybe we can talk about Pro-Jewish warmongering neoconservatives?) But your article wasn't about 'people' was it mhaze? - It was about hating Russians. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 7:54:17 PM
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"First the Ukraine, then Romania
Followed by Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania" I think Foxy is very right that Putin's initial aims looked beyond the Donbass and even beyond Ukraine. At the very least he would have been eyeing off the permanent re-attachment of Transnistra irrespective of the guarantees of NATO. Poland and the Baltic states were right to be apprehensive about where he would or intended to stop. But that was in February. The world is now very different after the Russian forces have been revealed as a paper-tiger. It is said that Russia entered the war with the supposed second best army in the world and now has the second best army in Ukraine. While Putin and his henchmen may still desire to extend the Russian borders to the fullest extent of the old Soviet Union, surely even he now realises that is out of reach. Russia's destiny is to become a vassal state of the Chinese empire. Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 8:07:43 PM
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Do I "recoil in horror"? I don't think so. But you will of coarse be able to offer examples because you wouldn't just make that up, would you?
It should also be noted that I'm not making value judgements here. I'm merely explaining that historic animosity informs current animosity.
I'll give another example. I have an acquaintance (friend of a business colleague) who is Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim). He has a visceral hatred of Serbs. During the Serbian wars of the 1990s my friend's uncle and his family were captured and put into a camp. One day Serb soldiers entered the camp and dragged all the young women out and into an adjoining building. For hours the screams of the violated girls could heard until gun-fire put an end to it. The Serbs spent days ridiculing the Bosnian men for not being able to protect their women.
This story is now part of my friend's family's heritage and is passed on within the family. The nations of Serbia and Bosnia may now be at peace, but the thousands of stories like this will ensure that animosity will be carried forth into each generation and will almost certainly raise it's head at some time in the future.