Labor promised an average $275 p.a. electric cost reduction for households yet the forecasts are for a nearly $600 cost increase per household.

Is this Labor's first really big election lie?

Well of course it was a lie. Politicians lie. But, much worse, it highlights the Albanese government's stupidity.

The Albanese government is too stupid to learn from what is happening in Europe, thanks to other stupid politicians. The ALP has had the advantage of seeing what happens when idiotically impossible ideas to change the climate are adopted, but they are ignoring the clear warning.

The also stupid Morrison government would have been doing the same thing.

Stupid voters get stupid governments. You won't have to worry about the price of electricity when it becomes too expensive to produce because of the stupid Net Zero climate policy, which looks like extending to farting cows now.

With a TRILLION DOLLARS OF LIBERAL PARTY DEBT to deal with, a debt incurred by the irresponsible Morrison mob doing a cash splash for their mates from the big end of town, $2.75 billion for QANTAS, $22 million for Gerry Harvey to boosts the bottom line and pay executive bonuses. Labor will be lucky if they can deliver 5 cents in relief for the battlers and real workers of this nation. Glad to see ScumO' and co given the arse! Are we not?

Speaking of Labor Prime Ministers, Keatings had a few interesting things to say lately.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/13/paul-keating-speculates-king-charles-could-renounce-uks-claim-on-australia

"Wednesday night’s conversation between the historian and the former Australian prime minister was hosted by La Trobe University. The dialogue was wide-ranging, covering Australia’s relationships with the US and China, the Aukus submarine deal, Australia’s contemporary sense of identity, and what actions Australia should contemplate in the event of military confrontation over Taiwan."

There's a link to the discussion below, but people may need to register to be able to watch the discussion.
http://www.latrobe.edu.au/events/all/australia-and-china-a-conversation-with-paul-keating

What is the value of a political promise. Famously, Franklin Roosevelt vowed to keep America out of WWII, December 7th 1941, Japan attacked the US territory at Pearl Harbour Hawaii. At that point should have Roosevelt kept his promise to the American people and remained neutral, or go to war? My point is when it comes to keeping promises, circumstances change even for politicians and in this case of electricity costs circumstances have changed. The incoming Labor government were confronted with a hidden disaster created by the 'Morrison Mob', something reality tells us has to be dealt with, and if it means not paying out some $275 electricity subsidy then so be it. A small price to pay for COALITION incompetence on energy policy.

We have had lying scum bag politicians before, who can forget Little Johnny Howard and his "core" and "non-core" promises. Seems according to Howard he could renege on any "non-core" promise, such as welfare for the poor, but he kept his "core" promises like tax relief for the mega rich, the hall mark of a scum bag lying politician.

Why am I mentioning 'Scum Bag' Howard in the same post as Franklin Roosevelt? I apologise to the memory of Franklin Roosevelt.

Anyone who voted for the ALP believing that this 'promise' was going to be kept, deserves everything that's coming their way.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken.

Governments of both flavours have spent 20 years lying about the true cost of the 'green revolution'. That people keep falling for it is testament to the power of wishful thinking. There will come a time when the true cost of the net-zero idiocy becomes apparent to a reluctant electorate, but we are a long way from that time yet.

Stupid voters get stupid governments. But only 32.6% of the fools preferenced Labor first. So, maybe thse system is more stupid than the voters.

Be that is it may, the power prices would still have gone up under the Liberals, whose policies were not much different from Labor’s. It was Morrison who rushed off to to Scotland to sign up to Net Zero. It was Morrison who blocked a big gas exploration off the east coast.

It's no good blaming 'those people who voted Labor' when the fault lies with those people who voted for both major parties.

Watching the speeches made at the CPAC conference showed that the Liberals have learned nothing from their defeat, bleating that people should go back to them, join the party, and all that passè rubbish.

The only delegate to make any sense at all was Mark Latham, who said that One Nation, Liberal Democrats and UAP should get together and give conservatism a real chance, and voters a real choice.

"The only delegate to make any sense at all was Mark Latham"; An extremist who is a sell out. One Nation, one nation for some, but given power what extremes would they impose on the "unclean", the "undesirable", Liberal Democrats, neither liberal or democratic, what would they have in store for the "unclean" and "undesirable", read their rantings and find out. The United Australia Party, what a misnomer, united in Clive Palmer, they like the other pair do find the "unclean" and "undesirable" unacceptable.

If these extremist were ever to obtain power you would see radical changes, and unless you are a white Anglo-Saxon male and willing to toe the line as ttbn is so willing to do, things may not be all that pleasant for nonconformists and despised minorities in this new One Australian Nation of Liberalism and Democracy....secret police, summery justice and detention centres would be the order of the day. Calling a spade a spade these extremist are nothing more than fascists with new names.

Projection in spades. Paul assumes that his enemies would do if they gained power is what those he's supported (the Marxists) would have done if they had gained power.

No evidence mind you. Just projection.

Many here have absolute loyalty to the monarchy.
- And whinge about climate change agendas.

It doesn't make sense.
King Charles abandons plans to attend Cop27 ‘following Liz Truss’s advice’
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/01/king-charles-abandons-plans-to-attend-cop27-following-liz-trusss-advice

The royals you love are the ones forcing the agendas you oppose.
They've been going to Bilderberg for years and pushing all the agendas you oppose.

Likewise you're all for increasing military ties with the US, AUKUS and that...
- Lock us into a defense pact like NATO so our boys can hurry off to die?

Look whats going on in the world.
You want us to get caught up in efforts to destabilise the Taiwan strait and a war with China (Our biggest trading partner, and close neighbour, who would probably win in a war against the US in Taiwan) in the same manner in which the US has done with Ukraine at such an enormous cost to the citizens of Europe / Britain?

You know - the same country that the royals you love so much reside it?
It doesn't make sense.

I think some people need to stand back and have a good rethink.

mhaze, its not projection, history shows when extremists come to power, often on a promise of good will towards all, the outcome is somewhat different. Should we really believe that given control the likes of Hanson, Latham, Palmer etc would respect Australia's democracy. Did Hitler and Mussolini respect democracy when they assumed power, me thinks not. If the aforementioned failed to deliver and proved to be too moderate, then others more ruthless would step in and replace them.

Here we go, the usual pack of flogs beating up rubbish and whinging about crap they have gobbled down from Sky New.

Albo's and Labor's promise was pretty clear.

"On Friday I launched Powering Australia, Labor’s plan to create jobs, cut power bills and reduce emissions by boosting renewable energy. Our Powering Australia plan will create over 600,000 jobs, with five out of six of them in the regions. Labor’s plan will boost renewables to 82 per cent of the grid by 2030. Cheap, renewable power will mean household bills drop by an average of $275 by 2025. Powering Australia will reduce Australia’s emissions by 43 per cent by 2030 – which will become Australia’s target, keeping us on track for net zero by 2050.

That is right, by 2025.

In case our little bunch of rabid, puffed up terriers hadn't realised it is only 2022!

If only they had spent a fraction of the effort keeping the LNP to its promises like a federal ICAC.

Just put a sock in it you lot. You are sounding more and more pathetic every day.

Paul, you need to take a Bex and have a nice lie down.

They were stupid to try Net zero 50, it was never going to work.
They were so stupid they blew up those power stations.
No one thought, err perhaps we should mothball them, just in case !

YES, THEY REALLY ARE THAT STUPID !

The Brits and the Germans were not so stupid they mothballed theirs.

They probably blew them up so there would be no going back.
It most likely wasn't about the needs of consumers, but ensuring we stay on track with them climate targets.

Many of the things in the Powering Australia plan I'm not specifically opposed to, but I don't like the idea of targets, or more specifically having to dance to others tunes.

I'm not opposed to things that are better for the environment but I don't think it's sensible to cut our noses off to spite our faces.

Political promises are generally made at a time when the economy & voter mentality would allow to keep those promises. However, by the time a new Govt is actually taking the reigns, economy & voter mentality have nose-dived so, promises can't be kept either !
As long as money is more important to people than freedom, well !

Bazz, that is a BEX, a cup of tea and a good lie down, my grannies cure all for everything that is ailing a person, from a diagnosis of terminal cancer to a slight headache.

Well we don't have to worry about the likes of Hanson, the uneducated Senator from Queensland, or Latham last seen sitting in the retirement lounge of the NSW Parliament, Palmer is off losing another court case somewhere. This collection of numbskulls are irrelevant to Australian politics, the electorate having seen through their quick fix and divisive policies and labelled them as stupid, not to be given the time of day.

I recall the "There'll never be a GST" by Howard & people cheered. When the GST came in & filled the coffers they cheered even more. I'm still waiting for the opponents of the GST to demand for its removal !
The only way to pay for what people want but don't want to pay for is Tax. Too many are avoiding Tax whilst gleefully scooping up the benefits from Tax !
Stop blaming the pollies for what stupid people cause ! If people stopped being stupid, pollies would have no choice but perform !

The DOE looked at the idea of converting old coal power stations to nuclear, noting considerable time and cost savings as well as ongoing economic benefits to the communities.

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/doe-report-finds-hundreds-retiring-coal-plant-sites-could-convert-nuclear

Net zero seems to be the new socialism: Different rhetoric. Similar outcome.

"Net zero seems to be the new socialism.....".

Let's call it what it is - communism. 'Communism never goes away, it just changes its coat'.

That's right ttbn, Karl Marx was very big on 'NET ZERO' he was constantly jabbering on about it. Are you that thick that you equate anything and everything you don't agree with as being Communism.

Hi Paul,

I think that net zero builds on the narrative that capitalism is inherently bad and needs radical change. With net zero the uncaring western bourgeois are living it up on evil fossil fuels, in the process destroying the earth. Of course, all the undeveloped nations will be rendered wastelands first. Further, there are throwbacks to Pol Pot, with the suggestion that the west should abandon its evil ways and return to the simple life. And Heaven forbid that we should ever develop nuclear energy or mess with the Earth any further with evil geoengineering. As an example, I listened to a talk recently about how sulphate aerosols could be used to stop polar warming using fewer than 150 aircraft. The process can quickly be reversed should it not work or have problems, yet many of the comments pushed the line that it was fundamentally wrong to "mess with the planet". Can somebody please tell that to the bacteria as their irresponsible behaviour over the past four billion odd years has stopped the Earth from becoming another wonderful Venus?

Hi Fester,

"net zero builds on the narrative that capitalism is inherently bad and needs radical change", that's not something I agree with, its nothing more than an extrapolation by the extreme to support their political ideology, one way or the other. I prefer to accept the overwhelming science which concludes climate change, which is no longer in reality debatable, no more than smoking is go for you can be debated. Rapid climate change is the product of mans industrialisation and the burning of fossil fuels over a short period of time is a substantial contributor to climate change. Nothing more, nothing less, not Capitalism or Communism or any other ism, it would have happened under all isms.

"That is right, by 2025."

Thanks for that SR. Now it makes perfect sense.

Electricity prices rise by 25% in 2022.
Electricity prices rise by 35% in 2023.
Electricity prices rise by think-of-a-number-and-double-it% in 2024.

Then in 2025, miraculously the prices will fall by a kajillion-bazillion percent ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-AxgueBRk).

Of course, it might be that the ALP so badly disrupts the economy that power prices fall due to collapse in demand. Maybe that's what they meant.

So, we can evaluate their promise at the end of 2025.

On a totally unrelated note, the next election is due early 2025. Mere coincidence, I'm sure.

Paul writes: "Did Hitler and Mussolini respect democracy when they assumed power...?"

Well no, but they didn't respect it before they came to power either.

Funny how, whenever Paul talks about the evils of authoritarianism, its always the fascists he mentions. Never Stalin, Mao, Ho, Pol Pot etc. But then for Paul, they were heroes, not dictators.

Still Hitler/Mussolini were also fellow travellers being socialists as well. Did Paul forget I taught him that earlier in the year?

So Paul isn't projecting - he thinks. Its just that those he hates are extremists. Quite what is extremists about them is unclear and unsaid. I guess just disagreeing with the far left is an extremist position.

With Labor's TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT and the rising cost of living from Labor's inflation, Albozo should focus on reducing costs by keeping the cheap-to-run coal power stations going.

But as Pauliar pointed out Albozo is a lying scumbag politician. What is the useless prick doing to help with the Victorian floods? Not his job?

P.S. When Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, clearly the war came to America and not the other way around.

mhaze,

Hitler obtained power through the ballot box, and Mussolini become Prime Minister of a democratic government. Both quickly set about dismantling any semblance of democracy in the name of necessity, that's another john dory in itself.

"Hitler/Mussolini were also fellow travellers being socialists" Ha! Socialists in name only, extremists in reality. Say what you like but in the context of Australian politics the earlier mentioned unintelligent numbskulls are extreme, being on the outer fringe of social thinking with radical ideas and little support. Correction they have yours, SM and ttbn support, plus a couple of others on OLO, that's about half a dozen.

As for the others you mention, and claim they are "heroes" of mine, well they are not, but like Hitler and Mussolini they were products of their times and locations.

SR,

As you pointed out Albozo promised a $275 cut by 2025 based on cheap renewables. Considering that renewables are far from cheap it means that he lied from the start. There is a direct correlation between the amount of renewable energy and the price of electricity in a country.

The way labor is going the price will be double by 2025.

Dear mhaze,

Given our own gas is so expensive to buy back since we have handed it over to the multinationals - who so generously fund your side of politics - the Ukraine war and Europe being cut off from Russian supplies has dramatically inflated the cost of energy.

How is any of the Albo's fault?

What he has promised is as we move away from fossil fuels like coal and gas and move to cheaper renewals the prices will come down.

He has 3 more years to make that happen.

shadowminister,

Albo's trillion dollar debt? You really are a flog mate.

You claim: "There is a direct correlation between the amount of renewable energy and the price of electricity in a country."

No there isn't so why say it?

the Ukraine war and Europe being cut off from Russian supplies has dramatically inflated the cost of energy.
SteeleRedux,

https://youtu.be/u9pEotvlW-s

SR,

Electricity prices (adjusted for inflation) have been rising inexorably since 2005. Nothing to do with gas prices or wars here or there or any of the other excuses favoured by the elite.

Guess what - so called intermittent power generation (wind/solar) has also been rising inexorably since 2005. Gee, I wonder if there is a co-relation there?

But the global warming clericy keep assuring us there is nothing to see here and that more renewables means lower prices...sometime in the future - always sometime in the future.

SR quipped: "who so generously fund your side of politics". I did a count. This is now the 16th time I've advised that I voted ALP and have done since 2014 and therefore don't have 'a side'. Sheesh.

SR whined: "How is any of the Albo's fault?"

I didn't say it was. Already trying to find excuses? But he claimed to have the answer. That's on him.

SR wrote: "He has 3 more years to make that happen."

Yes, that's what I said. But he claimed the prices would fall by a significant amount and that's on him. He also didn't say that they'd rise by an enormous amount before they fell and that's on him.

The clear implication of his promise is that prices would be lower in 2025 as compared to when he got elected. But that'll never happen. But my guess is that come 2025 he'll be claiming that he really meant that they'd just start to fall in 2025. And since you regurgitate all their talking points, you'll be making the same claim

If Labor wants to cut costs it can remove the GST component from the price of petrol that is levied on the amount of fuel excise; the rax on a tax.

SR

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Cost-electricity-solar-wind-only.jpg

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344010402/figure/fig1/AS:930774786252801@1598925410138/Linear-regression-of-renewable-energy-and-electricity-prices-1-Reproduced-from-1.png

There is a direct correlation between the amount of renewable energy and the price of electricity in a country. This is well-known by most people except snowflakes. There is lots of other information available as well.

I see Germany and other EU countries firing up their coal-fired boilers as they cannot rely on renewables without Russian gas.

With Albozo ramping up renewables, the cost of power in Aus is only going to go up.