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The Two State Solution for Israel and Palestine is not a solution

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Good Morning Yuyutsu,

" The creation of Israel was a violent process that
entailed the forced expulsion of hundreds of
thousands of Palestinians from their homeland to
establish a Jewish majority state, as per the
aspirations of the Zionist movement."

"Before 1947 and 1949 at least 750,000 Palestinians
from a 1.9 million population were made refugees beyond
the borders of the state. Zionist forces had taken more
than 78% of historic Palestine, ethnically cleansed and
destroyed about 530 villages and cities and killed about
15,000 Palestinians in a series of mass atrocities,
including more than 70 massacres."

" Though May 15, 1948 became the official day for
commemorating the NAKBA, armed Zionist groups had launched
the process of displacement of Palestinians much earlier."

" In fact, by May 15, half of the total number of
Palestinian refugees had already been forcefully expelled
from the country."

"Israel continues to oppress and dispossess Palestinians to
this day, albeit in a less explicit way than during the Nakba."

"The roots of the Nakba stem from the emergence of Zionism
as a political ideology in late 19th century Eastern Europe.
The ideology is based on the belief that Jews are a nation
or a race that deserve their own state."

"From 1882 onwards, thousands of Eastern European and
Russian Jews began settling in Palestine pushed by the
anti-Semitic persecution and pogroms they were facing in
the Russi9an Empire, and the appeal of Zionism."

There's more at:

http://aljazeera.com/features/2017/5/23/the-nakba-did-not-start-or-end-in-1948

"There is not a single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population."
"Israel must be like a mad dog - too dangerous to bother."
( Moshe Dayan).
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 8 September 2022 11:21:03 AM
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Good Morning David F.,

The speech that appeals to me from Shakespeare's
" The Merchant of Venice," is the following:

"The quality of mercy is not strained,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes..."

But the "quality of mercy" falls on deaf ears.
Just like the brockered attempts at peace
negotiations with Israel.

Perhaps if we had more Portia-like minds advising the
negotiations, solutions may be found to reach
better conclusions - than those currently available.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 8 September 2022 11:42:19 AM
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yes, let's link to Al Jazeera to get an unbiased and fair view of Israel.

In the same way, I remember how we all used to rush to Pravda to get an impartial view of Soviet policy....</sarc>
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 8 September 2022 1:26:51 PM
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Dear Foxy,

Most of your last post continues to discuss the events of 1947-1949, as if you never read the content of my reply to you.

Zionism made some mistakes, no doubt, but don't we all?
Here we just had Philip Lowe declare that interest rates will not be raised until at least 2024, but was then forced by world events to raise them 2 years earlier.

Similarly, Zionism, since its inception in the 19th century, considered the local Arabs as brothers and equal citizens of the future Jewish state, believing that these Arabs will be overjoyed to be freed by the Jews from colonialism, Ottoman corruption, poverty, ignorance and backwardness. Zionism honestly sought to embrace the local Arab population and raise them along to the 20th century. Until 1929, no Zionist foresaw even in their wildest dreams that possibility of incoming Jews having to kick out and/or oppress the local Arabs. But then, who could foresee in advance the rise of Hitler and the cooperation of certain Arab leaders with him?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 8 September 2022 1:36:32 PM
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mhaze,

There's plenty of material available both on the
web and in libraries and book-shops. Go to
a variety of sources - to get
what you're after. Try not to be selective.

I'm sure you'll be able to provide us with
what you want.

You've really shone in the past
with the "unbiased" links you've given all of us
concerning Trump, Pell, Porter, to name
just a few. You can of course try Britannica, Wikipedia,
Cambridge University Press. Or if you choose to be
daring - there's always Antony Lowenstein, E. Pappe,
and many others - including the diaries of David Ben-
Gurion
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 8 September 2022 1:58:14 PM
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mhaze,

You might learn something from the book:

"The ethnic Cleansing of Palestine," by
Ilan Pappe.

Prof. Pappe is an interesting man.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 8 September 2022 2:04:49 PM
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