All I can add is that if the animals are relying on PALE to prevent them being mistreated on ships, I recommend they stock up on seasickness pills if this thread is any indication of the debating and political skills PALE is able to muster.

Oh, and Taryn, I suggest that making threats is not the way to "win hearts and minds". You said:"A word of warning Robert. This has now been sent to Wendy by myself tonight who has not been made aware before .You must be aware her family are lawyers and members and you have posted something not only untrue but defaming. She will never stand for staff being harassed as somebody else found out last year.
Your apology if it’s sincere would probably be accepted at this stage but she wont muck around that’s a certain."

Frankly, I'd love to see "her family" try to make any kind of defamation action out of what has been said here, unless you want to consider some of the statements made by members of your organisation. Do try to grow up.

Good point that bridge, it is in my view just another miss spelling just read pales last post here its about standard.
Now Lady's please review every posts yours and ours in this thread.
See the blind shotgun affect?
The I am not winning this point lets throw both handfuls of stones?
Again and again miss Truth and threats refusal to stay on target is on display.
In debate the most convincing evidence you understand you are wrong.
I am wrong but I am right talk.
Lets get down to the issue, when you post as pale[ why do it] you put everything you say out as pale policy.
Why?
That post that claimed David was CEO was it a lie? mistake? or just another heated wrong word wrong place?
Put the boot into me, it is your habit both of you to do so to every one you oppose, but who is pale?
why not post under another name and refer to pale as it applies?
change the subject, defame us, threaten us but KNOW IT IS PROOF YOU KNOW YOU ARE WRONG.
Now this is not an attempt to rattle your chain but a true vision of how I see pale right now.
A few house wifes intent on being heard but not listening, unaware of the value of thoughts different to there own.
A story often told about slaughter house workers is that they are told to leave their brains in a bucket at the door the boss will do the thinking for them.
I get that idea about pale, sorry but I remain unimpressed with pales PR section.

My my... we are getting animated here. I refer all to my previous post..'encourage one another.. stir one another up to.. love and good works'.... the more animated and emotional we become, the harder that is.. so.. a chill pill (thanx spanky) might be in order.

Robert makes one point "rather than on any specific justification"

So, perhaps Taryn might elaborate one some specifics as to why she wishes to move from the area of the father... (hopefully apart from just punishing him).. I'd want to be seeing 'potential violence' or.. some dangerous reason if total denial of access is the final straw.

Unfortunately, no matter how much of a deadbeat a person is... if he has fathered children with a woman, his sense of attachment (and unless violence is involved) the childrens, cannot be negated.

So... why don't we put aside all the 'accusations' and threats, (on all sides) and just seek to gently work this thing out ?

Romans 15:1---

We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. 2Each of us should please his neighbor for his good, to build him up. 3For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."[a] 4For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

7Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.

SPANKY
A bit off post because I actually just came in here to `thank you` for your kind words to Taryn. Shes a beautiful person.

I think you may have tripped over something or umm bumped into something pardon the pun.
Like to thank you for the first real grin on my face today as I had a smile at your expense I am afraid. I love! your dry humour at your description of the hostess asking if you enjoyed your flight or words to that effect.
Somewhere I read about overseas pilots being employed at cheaper rates.
It must have been something to do with flying out live animals [which terrifies them and is discusting] but I recall they were using these blokes at a much cheaper rate.

I wonder if you did a Googles would it display how many pilots are off shore trained and if so what training and hours they have to get up before taking a domestic flight.
It is An interesting topic you have raised and people should think about these things because I must addmitt I never would have.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Friday, 7 September 2007 8:16:54 PM
David Boaz
I didnt have any posts left and your thread of thanks was next on my list. I would also like to ask you a qurestion as you have been with OLO a long time.
This Anti thread pale. Doesnt it go against OLO rules. I mean its clear that its been set up to try to discreit pale and myself.
Surely if OLO have their staff to deal with complaints then it should be left to staff. To me this thread of Roberts show total lack of respect to graham young and his staff.
If he had a complaint should it not have gone to OLO. Perhaps Graham is used to Robert trying to control that too.
Well before I run out "THANKS YOU TOO BOAZIE"

Thats ten points for `you personally` but I would still like the Church leaders to speak out for Gods Creature`s

SPANKY

Thanks for your kind words. When I was single after the separation I couldn’t live off others so I worked in an Abattoir. I worked night shift from six weeks after I had my baby and cleaned and cooked also ran a motel.

Anything to support my kids.



Robert thinks I should have to now choose between my new husband and my kids. I didn’t ask him for his input. He insulted me so I simply left that thread.

Yes I was upset so I left but then I saw Robert gate crash Daivids thread after Antje told him he could not control peple. It is Robert who should be apoligising to David espeically given he has the hide to claim this is about a bridge of froum rules. I note David has been to polite to point that out.

I was on that thread and all Antje said was Robert you cant control other lives. I can’t stand by and see the most wonderful people I have ever met get rubbished. Its so unfair and Roberts shown how nasty he is.
Then when Robert couldnt get Antjes attention on Davd thread like a bully child he opens a hate thread against pale.

I have always loved Animals but it got a lot more than that Spanky.

Of course these others are just as guilty. Just look at their comments. Pale shouldn’t do this and pale shouldn’t comment on other issues than Animal Welfare.

Robert and others will keep going.

I am going to open a thank you Spanky thread and David because I do not wish to continue to post on this one with these vishuios nit picking people.

I would be happy to talk to you from there. It will probably take a few hours or more.

Antisepic
I should clarify I was not making any threats. How could I? I dont run PALE.
I was just expressing my thoughts knowing how much Wendy does not put up with rubbish that might upset her staff.
This thread is a clear attack on pale and I dont think it should be allowed myself.
I just contacted her by phone and much to everybodies relief shes totally cracking up laughing.
"It seems your name was what got her going above everything else."

When I asked her if she was going to complain to Graham about the thread she replied- Are you kidding Taryn you couldn`t buy this type of Publicity.
Shes in a fantasic mood because she had a major break through working with the new Mufti Of Ausutralia but I guess thats up to pale head office to announce.

Wendy is worried about one thing and thats working together with overseas countries to improve Animal Welfare.

Pretty much everything else is unimportant to her other than helping the less fortunate people like Aboriginal and the frail.

I must admitt her laughter has put me in a good mood as well so thanks.

Your coming on this post to show how nasty you are because has caused much laughter.

Your name says it all!
Thanks Antisecpic

The name suites you. My sides are hurting from laughing.