SM,

Things can't be different in 20 years from the days of Geoff Clark and ATSIC, just as things have changed from the days of white fellas going out and shooting black fellas, or do you favour a return to the "good old days". ATSIC was NOT a "Voice To Parliament", but Geoff Clark was a fraudster.

The racists bigots, and there are some, will oppose no matter what is offered, they simply hate Aboriginals. These haters claim people like Foxy have made up their minds to vote yes without knowing the detail, not so, no one as yet has been asked to vote one way or the other. In fact its the haters who are already committed to a no vote.

I am confident a referendum proposal that will be acceptable across the political spectrum, and acceptable to the majority of Australians will be put forward. I don't include the old farts and haters in the majority, you know who you are.

"Because the parliament could create any sort of great monstrosity of an entity of any size, with any amount of complexity and any power as long as the final result is something that can "(clause 2) make representations to Parliament and the Executive Government on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people." The parliament is free to use any existing power (and I assume even transfer any power) it has to achieve this this outcome."

Except the proposed thing is defined as having no power, only a voice.

Boomers are dumb

Paul,

"The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) (1990–2005) was the Australian Government body through which Aboriginal Australians and Torres Strait Islanders were formally involved in the processes of government affecting their lives, established under the Hawke government in 1990. A number of Indigenous programs and organisations fell under the overall umbrella of ATSIC."

This is exactly what Albozo is trying to redo. I have no problem with this. What I do have a problem with is engraining this into the constitution without a dry run.

"This is exactly what Albozo is trying to redo. I have no problem with this. What I do have a problem with is engraining this into the constitution without a dry run."

What in the christ is a 'dry run'?

VorR: "Except the proposed thing is defined as having no power, only a voice."

Yes the "proposed" thing is defined as having no power, but there is ZERO guarantee that this is what we will get (or what it will remain as in the future).

There is NOTHING in the 3 clauses they're planning to add to the constitution that commits the government to deliver the product they're trying to sell us.

By-the-way: I've had a good chuckle reading one of your links. There they openly admit that they DON'T want the Voice to be selected by a general vote among the Aboriginals/TS Islanders because they fear that very few would bother to vote. If only a small minority was bothered enough to vote, it would obviously destroy the credibility of its claims to be a unified majority backed voice for them.

[By-the-way: I'm a member of Gen-X not a Boomer]

"I can't understand why some people seem to have
great difficulty in understanding what's going on"

Here is the difference Foxy.

YOU are prepared to accept assurances from the promoters of this that everything will be okey-dokey and when the details are released there won't be anything untoward. For many the lack of detail is a red flag but for people like you, the lack of detail as to how it'll work is a secondary or tertiary issue as opposed to the warm inner-glow of doing something (anything) that the leaders of the aboriginal industry want.

WE aren't prepared to accept that the lack of detail is a mere detail. We want to see exactly how the Voice will be selected, controlled, made accountable and especially how it's decision will be arrived at and conveyed to the other Parliamentary wings.

In the end the difference is between those who have grown used to simply deferring to their leaders and those who adopt Reagan's policy of "trust but verify".

Unfortunately, the notion that you shouldn't put all your faith in your leaders will elude you.