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If not now, when?

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The Voice is not a 3rd chamber of parliament.
It does not seek to usurp the power of parliament.
Suggesting otherwise is simply wrong and ignorant.

http://theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-how-will-the-constitution-change-and-what-will-australians-be-asked-to-vote-on

http://theconversation.com/non-indigenous-australians-shouldnt-fear-a-first-nations-voice-to-parliament-176675
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 August 2022 11:09:36 AM
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Dear Paul,

Racial prejudice has for a very long time fuelled
anti-Voice sentiments and blindness in this country.
Our hearts should bleed for our First Nations
people, particularly for the young.
The naysayers will deserve the damning verdict of
history.

The naysayers are ignorant and deliberate - and we
should oppose them with all our strength.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 August 2022 11:39:03 AM
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"The Voice is not a 3rd chamber of parliament."

Well since you don't know how it'll work, you can't know that as a fact. You have just decided to believe what you've been told by people who have decided to hide details from you.

"Suggesting otherwise is simply wrong and ignorant."

Well it's definitely ignorant...ignorant of the facts. But that's how you like it. Details and facts are so - icky.

"The naysayers are ignorant and deliberate "

Yes they are ignorant. Ignorant of the details being hidden from them - and you. But deliberate? The only deliberation here is from the promoters who are deliberately hiding the details.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 4 August 2022 12:37:23 PM
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The Clown prince Albozo has crafted questions so vague that they could extend to a reserved space in the gallery to a body that supersedes parliament.

When you put something in the constitution you need very specific or you will end up with something that can be used to screw up things for generations
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 4 August 2022 1:55:05 PM
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What we know:

Details to make it clear that:

1) A simple YES/NO question will be asked.

2) A Voice to Parliament would have a Constitutional guarantee.

3) The Voice will provide advice only to Parliament and
Government.

4) Parliament will decide the structure of the Voice.

What happens next:

More information on the proposal will follow.
All Australians will know what they are voting on.

1) The government will outline key elements of the Voice
by the end of 2022.

2) It is important that all Australians are involved in
learning more about the Voice.

3) There will be ample time for all Australians to understand
what they are voting on.

http://fromtheheart.com.au/

The law in Australia stops at the water's edge, leaving
to parliament to resolve the questions of First Nations
political standing in modern Australia.

Australia remains a land where there are no treaties, no
constitutional recognition of the place of Aboriginal and
Torres Straight Islander peoples.

As Stan Grant explains:

"Consider the words of the Uluru Statement. It's a plea
from a people who for so long in our nation's history were
not counted should now be heard. It speaks to the torment
of their powerlessness yet seeks release from the torment
not by separation or rejection of Australia but by
joining the abiding sense of Indigenous sovereignty to
the legal and political sovereignty of the Commonwealth.
In this way it looks to form a new people, Australians
indivisible."
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 August 2022 3:18:40 PM
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"The Clown prince Albozo has crafted questions so vague that they could extend to a reserved space in the gallery to a body that supersedes parliament.

When you put something in the constitution you need very specific or you will end up with something that can be used to screw up things for generations"

Have you considered calling the reading/writing hotline?
Posted by The voice of reason, Thursday, 4 August 2022 3:24:23 PM
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