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If not now, when?

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I can't understand why some people seem to have
great difficulty in understanding what's going on.

These are the facts:

1) The draft referendum question is:
"Do you support an alteration to the Constitution that
establishes an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice?

If the referendum passes, these 3 clauses will be added to
the Australian Constitution which is the basic law of the
land:

1) There shall be a body to be called the Aboriginal and Torres
Strait Islander Voice.

2) The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make
representations to Parliament and the Executive Government
on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander
people.

3) The parliament shall subject to this Constitution have power
to make laws with respect to the composition, functions, powers
and procedures of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

WHAT WE KNOW:

Details to make it clear that:

1) A simple YES/NO question will be asked
2) A Voice to Parliament would have a Constitutional guarantee.
3) The Voice will provide advice only to Parliament and Govt.
4) Parliament will decide the structure of the Voice.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT:

More information on the proposal will follow. All Australians
will know what they are voting on.

1) The government will outline key elements of the Voice by the end of 2022.
2) It is important that all Australians are involved in learning
more about the Voice.
3) There will be ample time for all Australians to understand
what they are voting on.

http://fromtheheart.com.au/

And here's the Indigenous Voice discussion paper to clarify
things even further:

http://voice.niaa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-03/indigenous-voice-discussion-paper-2_0.pdf
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 August 2022 7:59:44 PM
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Only 13 different posters have bothered to express opinions on this subject. Pretty irrelevant when 17 million, approximately, Australian voters will get to decide without the wisdom of the 13, a couple of whom actually think they have some role to play.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 4 August 2022 9:30:04 PM
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So the status quo will be maintained, the Commonwealth Parliament will still be able to make laws affecting Aboriginal Australians; funny, I thought that that situation was always considered racist.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 4 August 2022 10:00:14 PM
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Here's the problem Foxy.

You gave the following point: "4) Parliament will decide the structure of the Voice. "

Now, the trouble starts right here at your point (4).

Why does this allow the Voice to be potentially very problematic?
Because the parliament could create any sort of great monstrosity of an entity of any size, with any amount of complexity and any power as long as the final result is something that can "(clause 2) make representations to Parliament and the Executive Government on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people." The parliament is free to use any existing power (and I assume even transfer any power) it has to achieve this this outcome.

In short, we simply don't know what this voice will actually be- all we know for certain is that it will have the power to make representations to parliament on behalf of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island people.
Posted by thinkabit, Thursday, 4 August 2022 10:10:48 PM
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The results from the last "Voice to parliament"

"How head of failed forerunner to the 'Voice to Parliament' is charged with fleecing $2MILLION from the Aboriginal Trust Ex-ATSIC chairman Geoff Clark is facing 380 charges of fraud and deception Family members had faced 1100-plus charges over the alleged $2million fraud Senator Jacinta Price warned ATSIC was a reason against a Voice to Parliament"
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 5 August 2022 4:51:41 AM
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Lunacy is doing exactly the same thing that failed and expecting different results.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 5 August 2022 5:41:39 AM
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