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If not now, when?
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Posted by thinkabit, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 8:40:59 AM
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"the Voice would definitely be a racist government body. By its design, it is to exclusively serve one race based cohort of society- consequently is it racist. Whether someone considers that a good or bad thing is entirely a subjective stance, but there is no denying the it is an objective truth that it is racist.
And as for recognizing past injustice, the government has already done that. That is what Kevin Rudd's apology speech was. But it should be noted, that this is NOT what the Voice really concerns. Why you seem to think that the voice is about recoginising past injustice/racism is rather alarming- since you're the one telling us that the proposed voice is needed and yet you don't seem to know what it is for. For your benefit, since you don't seem to know, the proposed purpose of voice is: "The Indigenous Voice would provide a way for Indigenous Australians to have a greater say on the design, development and implementation of policies and programs that affect them." That is a direct quote that I took from this official government website: https://voice.niaa.gov.au/final-report" Yes, dumbass, in the past we created things like the stolen generation, the NT intervention, and the white australia policy and Aboriginals had no voice. Now they will. That would be the entire point. It's not 'racist' to create bodies designed to fight racism and give equality to marginalised groups. You are just an idiot Posted by The voice of reason, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 8:42:30 AM
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For those playing at home this is the article Foxy lifted 'her' most recent opinions from....
http://www.crikey.com.au/2022/08/02/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-elitist/ You just can't help yourself can you Foxy? Nicking other people's words to give your thoughts a veneer of erudition. Funny part is that you know how to use quotes marks ("") since you inappropriately used them t'other day to pretend that I'd said something I didn't say. As to Price and her views, I find it extraordinarily interesting the way the aboriginal boosters freak out every time a native strolls off the reservation. Apparently, to them, all aboriginals have to be on-board. ________________________________________________________________ Then we have Paul. What do you do when you haven't got the cognitive wherewithal to address my actual views. Well you make up different views ("Have you done the 'Dulux' test on Jacinta Price yet?") and then attack them. The only aboriginal I've ever called into question was Bruce Pascoe. For good reasons. In a funny way, I think there's some projection from Paul there about Price's true aboriginality. Biden once claimed that if blacks didn't vote for him they weren't really black. Seems if aboriginals don't support the Voice, they aren't really aboriginal - at least in some circles. Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 9:08:09 AM
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"As to Price and her views, I find it extraordinarily interesting the way the aboriginal boosters freak out every time a native strolls off the reservation. Apparently, to them, all aboriginals have to be on-board.
In a funny way, I think there's some projection from Paul there about Price's true aboriginality. Biden once claimed that if blacks didn't vote for him they weren't really black. Seems if aboriginals don't support the Voice, they aren't really aboriginal - at least in some circles." It's interesting. Black people are human and have a range of views. right wing scum assume if one black person is scum, then their views are justified. Price has made a living feeding right wing hate of her people, it's her job. Like Candace Owens, she is an enemy of dark skinned people, but it pays well. Posted by The voice of reason, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 9:09:58 AM
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We should keep in mind that race is a fallacy, we humans all belong to the one race.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 9:16:24 AM
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TVOR,
Now then, Pope Nickolas V might not agree, in his Papel Bulls 1452 and 1455, when Pope Nicolas V issued a series of papal bulls that granted Portugal the right to enslave sub-Saharan Africans. Church leaders argued that slavery served as a natural deterrent and Christianizing influence to “barbarous” behaviour among pagans. Using this logic, the Pope issued a mandate to the Portuguese king, Alfonso V, and instructed him to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens and pagans, that's the black fellas. I know all about the Pagans, I was fully instructed on their behaviour, by an old Irish (could be a relo of Issy's) Nun, Sr Mary in the 3rd Grade, I was 8 years old at the time and fully informed. The question is, were Aboriginal people pagans prior to 1788? If so are we not fully entitled, like good Pope Nickolas V said "invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue", over the past 230 years we have done all that, and more. BTW Pope Nickolas didn't say anything about "VOICES" only the ones he heard from God......and Catholic slave traders. The voice of reason, I like your style, its refreshing, BUT, look out for the Big Kahuna he doth lurk in the shadows. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 9:44:45 AM
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And as for recognizing past injustice, the government has already done that. That is what Kevin Rudd's apology speech was.
But it should be noted, that this is NOT what the Voice really concerns. Why you seem to think that the voice is about recoginising past injustice/racism is rather alarming- since you're the one telling us that the proposed voice is needed and yet you don't seem to know what it is for.
For your benefit, since you don't seem to know, the proposed purpose of voice is: "The Indigenous Voice would provide a way for Indigenous Australians to have a greater say on the design, development and implementation of policies and programs that affect them." That is a direct quote that I took from this official government website: https://voice.niaa.gov.au/final-report