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Jan 6th hearings and changing perspectives

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As to the BLM protests:

“"Responding to interest from President Donald J. Trump, White House aides drafted a proclamation last year to invoke the Insurrection Act in case Mr. Trump moved to take the extraordinary step of deploying active-duty troops in Washington to quell the protests that followed the killing of George Floyd, two senior Trump administration officials said. The aides drafted the proclamation on June 1, 2020, during a heated debate inside the administration over how to respond to the protests," The New York Times reported Friday.”
http://www.salon.com/2021/06/26/trump-aides-prepared-insurrection-act-order-against-blm-protests-report_partner/

If it walks, talks and squawks like a duck then it is a duck, in this case an insurrection by every definition.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 31 July 2022 4:53:36 PM
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SR,

A drowning man grabbing a straw is never a good look.

The polls were asking different questions. Wow they came to different results. Only someone as perplexed by numbers as SR would be surprised.

If it was an insurrection why was no one so charged.

As to bias in the DC justice system....

Robert Smigel charged for trespassing in the Capitol building. He's a member of the staff of Stephen Colbert, a reliable mouth-piece for the Democrats. All charges dropped.

Pamela Hempill charged for trespassing in the Capitol building on 6/1. She's a grandmother and citizen journalist trying to cover the Trump rally. But not a reliable mouth-piece for the left. Consequently she got two months in prison.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 31 July 2022 6:42:58 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Mate your whole house in made of straw.

Here is an ABC poll taken mid-June of THIS year.

Question: "Do you think the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack is or is not conducting a fair and impartial investigation?

Total
Is conducting a fair and impartial investigation 60%
Is not conducting a fair and impartial investigation 38%
Skipped 2%

http://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2022-06/Topline%20ABC_Ipsos%20Poll%20June%2018%202022.pdf

I think there has been a significant swing in the attitudes of many toward the hearings which is what my original post was about.

The fact that you had to go to an 8 month old poll to try and make any sort of case otherwise is pretty telling.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 31 July 2022 8:10:02 PM
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Duelling polls:

53% say the hearings are biased.
54% say "It's more of a partisan exercise to gain political points."

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/HHP_June2022_KeyResults.pdf

Check the mid-term voting intentions to see how effective the J6 hearings have been.

Oh, while we talk polls - Biden (known to his family as "the big guy") is now the most unpopular president ever according to Gallop
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 1 August 2022 4:55:57 AM
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Dear mhaze,

Duelling polling indeed, however happy to tease apart your latest offering.

Pretty loaded questions on yours mate.

1. Do you think that the investigation and hearings on the January 6th riots set up by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi are fair or biased?
2. Do you think the investigation and hearing of the January 6th riots by a special committee of the House of Representatives brought together by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is working as an independent inquiry into what happened or is it more of a partisan exercise aimed at scoring political points?

Both directly mention Nancy Pelosi, an obviously partisan figure.

While the question in the poll I linked to asked the quite neutral question: “How closely have you been following the hearings of the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol?” It returned a 60% agreement that the committee was “conducting a fair and impartial investigation”.

Given the highly partisan responses by registered voters from each of the majors I suspect in your poll the perspectives of the independents probably bests reflects the reality.

52% of them felt Donald Trump incited the crowd to attack the US Capitol.

52% of them felt Donald Trump deliberately encouraged the Capitol riots through his words and actions.

51% thought former President Trump after the 2020 election created a polarized political environment that eventually led to the Capitol riots on January 6th.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 1 August 2022 10:15:29 AM
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In my original post in this thread I opined "The whole thing has been a disaster for the Democrats. They pinned their hopes for the mid-terms on finally getting Trump and, now that that's failed, they have nothing left." That was after listing all the reasons behind that conclusion.

It remains true. Even the polls SR tries to torture show it.

There was no insurrection. No one has been charged as an insurrectionist, because...and stop me if I've said this before...there was no insurrection. In a nation swimming in guns, no guns were used except by the authorities. Grandmothers who walked through the Capitol with no evil intent have been gaoled for supporting the wrong party by the obviously misnamed Democrats.

Trump remains the most popular politician in the nation...a nation now learning how costly was the Biden stolen election. People who previously disbelieved the evidence of the theft, are now aware that its true. People like Barr, who has obvious reasons to hate Trump, now say they'll vote for him if he runs. Republicans who misread the people and thought they could ride the never-Trump bandwagon are seeing their careers go down the gurgler.

Its as though Tiberius Gracchus won
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 1 August 2022 10:59:04 AM
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