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Britain Orders the Extradition of Julian Assange.

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I also don't believe that Julian Assange would get a fair
trial in the US. And I don't get why the former army
analyst Chelsea Manning who passed on the documents to
WikiLeaks was released out of a US military prison 7 years
after being arrested. Julian Assange has already served
more than ten years.

We sad David Hicks almost 20 years ago brought back by PM John
Howard. This is not unprecedented.

Australian independent MP Andrew Wilkie has called on the
newly elected Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese to pick up
the phone and demand an end to what he described as
"madness." This has been a political matter from the
start. Mr Wilkie has received the backing of a number
of crossbench MPs, including Dr Monique Ryan, Allegra
Spender, Zali Stegall, to name just a few.

Court cases as we know take time. But we're talking here
about an Australian whose mental and physical health
continues to decline.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 19 June 2022 11:33:43 AM
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Hi Foxy,
"And I don't get why the former army analyst Chelsea Manning who passed on the documents to WikiLeaks was released out of a US military prison 7 years after being arrested."

I don't think this is about Wikileaks releasing images of US military blowing up journalists in Iraq via Chelsea Manning in 2010.
What this is about is Assange releasing the Podesta emails in 2016 and costing Hillary and the Democrats the election that Trump ended up winning.
He also released the CIA's Vault 7 hacking tools which the United States used for covert actions against others in 2017.
Obama wasn't going to prosecute Assange originally, the attitude of the US changed when he cost Hillary the election and give up the US governments secret hacking tools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning
"Assigned in 2009 to an Army unit in Iraq as an intelligence analyst, Manning had access to classified databases. In early 2010, she leaked classified information to WikiLeaks and confided this to Adrian Lamo, an online acquaintance."
"The material was published by WikiLeaks and its media partners between April 2010 and April 2011."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_emails
"Some or all of the Podesta emails were subsequently obtained by WikiLeaks, which published over 20,000 pages of emails, allegedly from Podesta, in October and November 2016."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7
"Vault 7 is a series of documents that WikiLeaks began to publish on 7 March 2017, detailing the activities and capabilities of the United States Central Intelligence Agency to perform electronic surveillance and cyber warfare."

Hope this helps draw a more well-informed picture of what happened for you.
A lot of other things happened as well around that time, relating to whistlebowers.
- And more.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 19 June 2022 12:17:58 PM
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Is Mise,

"Joyce was innocent"

To you perhaps. To me a fervent Nazi collaborator and a traitor, although I don't favour the death penalty.

"You would not have broken US law because you were not subject to its jurisdiction."

Again, to you perhaps, but such an argument was used by Jules' lawyers and failed. Perhaps you should be lobbying to have the law changed, but I don't fancy your chances. Here is another scenario: I am a Canadian citizen, get an explosives licence, then use a drone to drop bombs over the border, killing and injuring US citizens. Have I not broken US law as I am neither a US citizen nor in US jurisdiction? I think your reasoning absurd and understand why the British courts rejected it.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 19 June 2022 12:35:55 PM
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As an afterthought...
- I might add that part of those Vault 7 hacking tools allowed the CIA to spoof metadata so that a computer forensic analysis would draw a conclusion that a foreign actor (ie. Russia) had committed the hacking when in fact it was actually the CIA themselves.

It allowed them to commit such frauds as the hacking of the DNC server, and maybe also the Christopher Steele dossier, though I honestly can't remember all of the exact details now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_cyber_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrowdStrike
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0

That server that Trump had been looking for ended up being moved to the US embassy in Kiev, where he couldn't get to it.
- But Biden already had significant sway in Ukraine already so Trump got nowhere.

Why President Trump asked Ukraine to look into a DNC "server" and CrowdStrike
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-crowdstrike-ukraine-server-conspiracy-theory-60-minutes-2020-02-16/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden_Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

Hunter Biden, the black sheep who got Trump impeached, explained
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/1/20891510/hunter-biden-burisma-ukraine-shokin

This stuff all ends up leading to Hunter Biden and Rosemont Seneca and Metabiota and biolabs in Ukraine;
And it probably also connects to EcoHealth Alliance and gain-of-function research for Coronavirua as well.
- I'm not well versed on all of these details.

http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/fund-led-by-biden-s-son-involved-in-financing-biolabs-in-ukraine-russia-122032401368_1.html

You can find out more about the Vault 7 tools here:
http://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

I am fairly certain that they (Ukrainian NAZI's - or to be more precise Ihor Kolomoyskyi) were doing human trials on psychiatric patients.

Which is why I recently shared the info.
Zelenskiy's Kolomoisky Connection
http://youtu.be/MXgli7TpINw

Zelensky, Hunter Biden — and Their Sugar Daddy, Kolomoisky
http://youtu.be/fUPKZkqXfZI

It's really a huge web of information to try and narrow down the facts of what was actually going on.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 19 June 2022 12:56:49 PM
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Thank You Armchair Critic for taking the time and trouble
to give us more information on this issue. It is appreciated.
I'd like to also thank everyone who's also taken the time to
give an opinion in this discussion. It's not as easy to fathom
everything that's going on.

Legal experts say that the Assange case could take months or
even years to conclude. " We will appeal this case all the way,
if necessary, to the European Court of Human Rights," Mr
Assange's attorney, Jennifer Robinson, said.

Ms Robinson has asked US President Joe Biden to drop the
charges brought against Mr Assange during Donald Trump's
presidency, arguing they posed a "grave threat" to free speech.

Many people believe that Assange did nothing wrong. That he's
committed no crime and is not a criminal. That he's a
journalist and a publisher and that he's being punished just
for doing his job.

The documents in question related to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
and revealed that the US had killed hundred of civilians
in Afghanistan in previously undisclosed incidents. The
leaked files also showed that 66,000 civilians had been killed
by Iraqi forces and that prisoners had been tortured.

Assange supporters claim Assange's actions were journalism and
in the public interest.

We know that Assange is a powerful advocate for the necessity
of open information in a democracy. Yes, it wasn't smart to
offend the powerful, and embarrasing the powerful is "wrong"
in view of self-interest.

However, this has gone on long enough surely. And the person
who initially supplied the documents has been released.
Our newly elected PM should take responsibility - as he
claimed he always does - during his election campaign - and
ask that an Australian citizen be returned to Australia.

If John Howard could do it for David Hicks (a terrorist)
surely Albanese can do it for a journalist and publishe4r -
Julian Assange?
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 19 June 2022 1:19:24 PM
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Hi Foxy,
I think probably Assage did what he did in 2016 (releasing the Podesta emails) was to try and put Trump in the Whitehouse and not Hillary.
- I know you always supported the narrative Foxy, but Bill and Hillary were into some really shady stuff.
Releasing the Vault 7 CIA tools may have even been an attempt by Assange to give Trump himself the tools to try and understand what was really going on, but he was a businessman, and not well adept enough about how things work in Washington and withing the government to get to the bottom of things.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 19 June 2022 1:35:06 PM
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