Paul,
Do be a good chap and read the Coroner’s findings, the blame lay fairly and squarely at the feet of the NSW Government, via their Police Commissioner and the power conferred on him by the firearms laws.
The SSAA blokes had nothing to apologise for, they were carrying out their legal obligations under the law; a law which you do not wish to see modified.

Steele,
I don’t want to see everyone armed, unless under a Swiss style army, I like the current gun laws but they could be improved by removing the stupid anomalies and the apparent spitefulness.

SR,

Again demonstrates that he just doesn't understand how these things work. Initial reports on these shootings are usually iffy and rarely get it exactly right. But SR found an particularly erroneous report (MSNBC - big surprise!) and since it told him what he wanted to hear, that was a far as his research, such as it was, went.

More recent reports show a very much different picture. Indeed it shows the police didn't engage the shooter for at least an hour.

Since SR thinks links are necessary to prove his gullibility...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robb_Elementary_School_shooting#Background

http://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161

http://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/uvalde-school-shooting-police-response/

I've always thought SR's errors were easily explained based on the fact that he forms opinions and then looks for something to support it, irrespective of the veracity of that 'something'. That's the exact opposite of the search for truth.

"ballsed up your lockdown contention by providing a study which directly countered it?"

No SR. I provided a study that you misunderstood. As per usual. See above.

Hi Paul,

Thanks for this thread.

An opinion piece by the editors of Scientific American,
May 26 2022 tells us that - "The science is clear: gun
control saves lives."

The article tells us that "By enacting simple laws that
make guns safer and harder to get, we can prevent killings
like the ones in Uvalde and Buffalo."

As we know a young man armed with an AR-15 style rifle
decided to fire in a school and at least 19 elementary
school children and two teachers are dead, many more are
injured and a grandmother is fighting for her life.

We're told that in Texas it's alarmingly easy to buy and
openly carry a gun. After this last incident President Biden
demanded reform, AGAIN. Legislators demanded reform, AGAIN.

And pro-gun politicians we're told, again turned to the
old weathered talking points - arm teachers and build
safer schools.

The editors point out that rather than arm teachers who
have enough to do without keeping those guns from students
and having to train like law enforcement officers to be
able to confront an armed attacker - rather than spend much
needed school dollars on more metal detectors instead of
education - we need to make it harder to buy a gun.
Especially the kind of weapon used by this killer and the one in
Buffalo.

The science is clear we're told. More guns do not stop crime.
Guns kill more children each year than auto accidents. More
children die by gun-fire in a year than on-duty police officers
and active military members.

We're told guns are a public health crisis just like COVID
and in this America is failing its children over and over again.

There's more at:

http://scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives/

Law enforcement couldn't immediately subdue the
killer.

Teachers are the first line of defence, they should be encouraged to be trained to combat standards of efficiency with a suitable pistol, and we in Australia should be implementing this tactic before we see our first attempted school shooting.

Foxy,
Glad to see that you’ve given up the dubious humour,

Dear mhaze,

Really mate you are so bloody transparent. I do love it whenever you start referring to me in the third person as you are just signalling you are on a hiding to nothing.

“Again demonstrates that he just doesn't understand how these things work.”? Are you really criticizing people for assessments that are revised when later evidence comes in?

This from you: “Increasingly, as new and better data becomes available, the threat from the pandemic seems to recede. The original thoughts of 500,000 deaths in the UK and 2,000,000 in the US have become 20,000 and 100,000.”

Well for the US you were out by a factor of 10.

So please just park the premature nonsense as it makes you just look silly.

From your Wikipedia link: “He was in the building for 40 to 60 minutes, killing people while armed police stood outside the classroom and building. Officers arrived four minutes after Ramos entered the school and attempted to make entry, but were forced to retreat after he fired at them.”

So what impact do you think teachers armed with pistols would have had when the gunman was able to send trained police officers packing?

Dear Is Mise,

You wrote: “Teachers are the first line of defence, they should be encouraged to be trained to combat standards of efficiency with a suitable pistol, and we in Australia should be implementing this tactic before we see our first attempted school shooting.”

See you do want this for our country.

Me? I would prefer we maintain and strengthen gun laws if needed to make sure we don't have our “first attempted school shooting”.