Chicago had more gun deaths than any other city in the US in 2021 yet has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation.

Explain to me again how gun laws reduce gun crime.

As best I can tell, there's been no mass shooting in a school where the teachers are permitted to be armed.

SR as usual, adopts his policy of finding any data that he 'thinks' supports his view and then pretending that is definitive. Intelligent people know that first reports are always fraught. It is now reported that the shooter got into the school unchallenged and remained unchallenged for 30 minutes or so.

Arm the staff.

Dear o sung wu,

With respect you would have to point me to where I have generally criticized the lawful use and possession of F/As, I don't feel I have. I have owned guns in the past and enjoyed them. Admittedly Port Arthur put paid to that for me.

I have certainly been critical of laws which allow individuals to own and store hundreds of firearms in suburbia.

I am critical of people with a history of domestic violence like John Edwards being allowed to own weapons and to be given training on how to most effectively kill his children.

I struggle to find an acceptable reason for the rapidly growing ownership of pistols and likewise the legalisation of virtually automatic shotguns.

Finally I think there is a general loosening of the robust firearm laws in this country which is dangerous both to the public and to police officers.

Dear Is Mise,

As you acknowledge the number of guns in civilian hands has indeed been increasing including quite a surge under Trump. Can you please explain why there has been a corresponding surge in active shooter instances in the US going from just 4 in 2000 to 40 in 2020?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ft_22-01-26_gundeaths_4/

Dear mhaze,

Seriously mate? I provide a direct quote and a link to support what I put and you think this: “It is now reported that the shooter got into the school unchallenged and remained unchallenged for 30 minutes or so.” from you in any way challenges what I put?

Would your out of control reluctance to back up the point with evidence have anything to do with the fact you ballsed up your lockdown contention by providing a study which directly countered it?

Steele,
Only 40? I’m amazed, there have been hundreds.
But you don’t explain why murders are falling and gun numbers are going up.

For years we have been told that more guns means more crime yet the US shews the opposite as does Switzerland; indeed Australia is also an example, there are now more guns in civilian hands than after the confiscations post Port. Arthur yet the crime rate continues to decline.
Don’t forget that Edwards was rejected by gun clubs but was granted a pistol licence by the NSW Government via the Police Commissioner, any training that he received from a pistol club was then a legal requirement under the gun laws.
Did he really require any training to kill at a few feet range?
The myriad films where murder and killing are offered as entertainment plus all the video ‘games’ would have been sufficient to give a good grounding in murder.

Dear Is Mise,

Why didn't you address the figures on active shooter incidents with something more concrete than you thought it would have been higher? Why the increase?

Firearms have become the highest form of death for America's adolescents.

"...new data show a sharp 13.5% increase in the crude rate of firearm-related death from 2019 to 2020. This change was driven largely by firearm homicides, which saw a 33.4% increase in the crude rate from 2019 to 2020, whereas the crude rate of firearm suicides increased by 1.1%. Given that firearm homicides disproportionately affect younger people in the United States, these data call for an update to the findings of Cunningham et al. regarding the leading causes of death among U.S. children and adolescents.

The previous analysis, which examined data through 2016, showed that firearm-related injuries were second only to motor vehicle crashes (both traffic-related and nontraffic-related) as the leading cause of death among children and adolescents, defined as persons 1 to 19 years of age.4 Since 2016, that gap has narrowed, and in 2020, firearm-related injuries became the leading cause of death in that age group (Figure 1). From 2019 to 2020, the relative increase in the rate of firearm-related deaths of all types (suicide, homicide, unintentional, and undetermined) among children and adolescents was 29.5% — more than twice as high as the relative increase in the general population"

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761

This appalling statistic is what you want for our country. Thankfully there are still enough of us standing in your way.

John Edwards, yes he was rejected by reasonable gun clubs, but found a happy family of like minded fellas at the SSAA St Mary's Gun Club. There Edwards was trained in the finer art of shooting with a pistol. With such training Edwards was able to murder his two children Jack and Jennifer. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A WORD OF APOLOGY FROM THE SSAA FOR THE PART THEY PLAYED IN THESE MURDERS. Disgusting!

Is Mise- You make many good points here. Thanks. I agree that Hollywood has a lot to answer for the decline in Western standards of behavior- but the behavior may not be due to people of western ancestry.