A group in Tasmania wanting to hear a talk by Ian Plimer thought that Hobart's Shambles Brewery pub would be a good venue. But, no. The manager disagreed, saying there was "no way" he would allow a "thoroughly debunked propagandist" like Professor Plimer to use his establishment to "spout his unscientific rhetoric".

No 'pub tests' available at the Shambles unless mine host agrees with what might be said.

ttbn,

I did read about this in Quadrant.

I'm not sure if legally the owner of the pub
can do this. Yes, it is his pub, but he also
has a licence to provide a service to the
public. And I would have thought that if
people are not breaking any laws or creating
a disturbance - the owner has no right to
not allow them into his pub. He can't
discriminate, I would have thought.

But perhaps I'm wrong.

I'll have to look into the matter.

Not sure if this helps but here it is:

http://business.gov.au/people/customers/refuse-service

Foxy,

I imagine another venue will be found, if it hasn't been already. Woke businesses these days don't seem to realise that income is income, no matter what beliefs the customers have. My family had a retail business, and everbody's money was good no matter who they were or what they thought. One of the things some people in business these days don't realise is that you keep your politics and opinions to yourself - if you want to stay in business. The manager of the Shambles was a school teacher, not the best background for business. There will be consequences to his refusal, whether or not he was within his legal rights - particularly in a place the size of Hobart.

ttbn,

I looked up the pubon the web.

It apparently is a very successful and popular pub in
Hobart. Rave reviews given on "Tripadvisor."
That's probably why it was chosen for the lecture.

http://shamblesbrewery.com.au

Was Plimer simply looking for a free venue? I wanted to run a farting competition in the dining room of the same pub on Friday night. The publican band it on the grounds it wasn't good for business. BUT he has agreed that the finals of the Up-Chuck competition can go ahead next Saturday. Vomit Boy will be defending his title from Spueman Sam, should be a technicolour nightmare!

ttbn- The phenomena of woke banning events and businesses is interesting in how it's done. There was the Sleeping Giants and their appalling practices- but appalling practices are all part of the tool box.

The business of the pub is not being a free venue for crackpots to vent their spleen. No more than should Morrison's fundo Church be a venue for someone wanting to shout the best ways to have gay sex.

If this pub is a venue that welcomes crackerjacks to sprook their views with an open mic then this guy should be let come on up. Otherwise tell him go elsewhere.

Looks like the owners seem to be happy to hold meetings from the Engineers Australia Quiz Group and the Tas Linux Users Group. Maybe Engineers Australia and the Linux community are allowing themselves to be influenced by wokeness- I hope that they will cancel their bookings at Shambles when they see the owners attitude to Free Speech.

http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/event/2021/09/yea-pub-quiz-night-hobart-39611

http://www.taslug.org.au/author/john-kristensen.html

CM, if the pub refused to serve this bloke beer because of his views, then I'd be against the pub. The Engineers having a private room paid for to conduct a private event, is different to Pilmer wanting to conduct a free meeting in the public space of the pub.

BTW how do you feel about the Gay Sex Mob conducting a meeting with demo's in the public space of Morrison's Fudo Church? While the happy clappers look on.

CM,

As I said, some businesses have become more political than the politicians. If people want a beer, groceries or a new shirt, that's what they want, not politics, which already intrudes on their lives far too much.

Big business can probably get away with being woke because there is no personal contact with board rooms. When small business tries it on, things are different: more competition, more choice and more of them after your dollar. In face to face transactions, you cannot afford to piss off potential customers. Many of these small businesses who go broke don't do so because of hard times, Covid or red tape: they can't cut the mustard because they don't know how to deal with customers. Whoever actually owns the Shambles should be getting themselves a new manager.

The event has been moved to a new location.

The urge to censorship is strong in the left these days. If you can't win the argument, stop the argument. Of course, as with all things like this, the left will be surprised to find that this swings both ways. But you can be certain that they, and people like Paul, will suddenly discover the virtues of free-speech when they suffer censorship.

Despite Paul's usual toddler rants, the event wasn't going to be held in the open bar, but in a room within the pub complex. So people like Paul would have been protected from hearing things that they don't want to be true.

Most shopping centres have a policy of no politics within the centre. Local European Deli in our centre, had the place festooned with yellow and blue flags (Ukraine). Next thing they are gone, except for one, now with an Australian flag hanging with it. According to a coffee friend the shop was told by centre management to remove the flags. Oddly the friend said the deli owners are Russian folk.

Come Invasion Day will the $2 shops be made remove those ridiculous, made in China, Aussie flag thongs, beach towels and floppy hats? Probably not, to big a market among the Old Fart brigade, they're into that sort of rubbish.

When asked to debate the science with Plimer Greens member David Shoebridge said:

"We don’t have time to debate science. That debate is over. So no, I won’t go and debate the science with somebody who is not a climate scientist, who denies the science, who denies the global consensus on climate. That is a waste of our time. We have a narrowing window to deal with that science, to deal with climate change, let’s talk about what we need to do. Let’s not go back to 1972 to debate the science".

Just assume the is the Greens platform that has brainwashed the Media.

Jose'

Just as the FLAT EARTH debate ended in the 15th century, the CLIMATE CHANGE debate is also well and truly over as well. Good on Dave, great when he's in the SENATE...AH!

The Climate is changing and man is not responsible for the changes as the scaremongers believe.

The publican is quite within his rights to cancel Plimer’s booking.
The publican can bar anyone from his premises, except police in the lawful prosecution of their duties.
He can even refuse service of intoxicants, based on nothing more than his opinions/feelings; in fact in some cases he is required by law to refuse service.

Black listing goes both ways I guess. Yes everyone has the same nefarious tools- and Plimer can use the EOC arm of the government to weaponize ideology the same way the left communists do.

http://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-trending/russia-boosts-its-propaganda-division/
The Russian Defense Ministry has formalized its information-warfare efforts with a dedicated propaganda division. One could compare the Equal Opportunity Commission as the Propaganda Division in other regimes I suppose.

There is a time to ban things but it can sometimes be self defeating- as Paul1405's apparent favourite mentor Saul Alinsky alludes. Thanks ttbn, mhaze, Is Mise.

This looks interesting...

http://mythdetector.ge/en/how-soviet-propaganda-used-racism-against-the-united-states/

Is Mise,

Yes. Anyone has the right to oppose freedom of speech on premises they control. They can also cover their ears and go 'la,la,la la'. But, it demonstrates their unwillingness to listen to other people and their cowardice.

ttbn, are you okay with the lefties holding meetings at your premises?

Before the last election the Australians Conservatives were holding their meetings in a phone box. After the election the phone box prooved to be to large, they then held meetings in a dog box, until that was found to be to large as well. Where are the meetings held today?

Why are people defending Plimer? The bloke is very well off holding board positions on a whole bunch of mining interests including several of Gina Reinharts.

In my opinion Gina of course had been a funder of anti-climate change misinformation for many years (because of a perceived threat to her interests) and Plimer is a marvellous and well remunerated sock puppet for her.

Just follow the money folks.

Nobody is "defending" Plimer; he doesn't need defending; he's a big, boisterous bloke capable of more than holding his own against climate bed wetters. This is about one of those gutless bed wetters, not sure enough of his own beliefs to allow people to hear contrary views in his pissy little pub in pissy little Hobart, and get paid for it.

ttbn, are you okay with the lefties holding meetings at your premises?
Paul1405,
Being Lefties, they automatically & morally forfeit the right to be treated like others !

Well said Adolf The Kudos Kid will be along shortly to tip his bucket of Kudos all over you.

BTW, that Old Fart who confronted ScumO' in the pub, was one of your mob, being an old Old Fart sucking on the teat of the taxpayer with welfare. 100% LIBERAL voter.

What was that Old Fart doing in the pub anyway? Drinking up big and playing the porkies! That will all change when Seniors National Service kicks in. It will be a case of lift that bail, tote that pale! No time for beer and pokies. I'm not sure how fit you are Indy, so we'll start you on the light roster, breaking rocks 16 hours a day and only 12 of those hours will be in the hot sun, how nice. Can't be fairer than that.

individual,

Don't bother with the idiot. He is really off his trolley now, because he gets so few responses from his pathetic attempts at what he thinks is humour. What is left of his tiny mind won't last much longer.

ttbn,
well, it is only due to the moderators generous tolerance to all of us but Paul's in particular that he can continue his antics !

ttbn and Indy,

Thank you for your carefully considered responses, you are both welcome in the trolley. Nothing gets up the noses of crusty old conservatives than a bit of humour, as you know, you fellas are all so S-E-R-I-O-U-S!

Indy said; "Being Lefties, they automatically & morally forfeit the right to be treated like others !"

So to be serious, pray tell Indy, and ttbn, how should Lefties be treated? That nonsense, is far more dangerous talk than anything humerus I might post. Given your history of how you think others, those that don't agree with you, should be treated, I perish the thought of what you would accept as "different treatment".

The only difference between some people and the likes of Hitler and Stalin, and some other notables in that regard, is through circumstance and commitment Hitler and Stalin achieved the capacity to act on their beliefs, most like minded never have that necessary circumstance and commitment to be a leader, and never will, they can be no more than followers. Its surprising what moderate, fair minded followers, will accept as reasonable and necessary, from the extreme leadership, they take little convincing to follow.

I don't know Hobart, but in Sydney there was a pub in inner Sydney that ran "politics in the pub" on a Friday night. Even though I'm interested in politics, when I go to the pub, I'd much rather have a beer and congenial conversation, than an argument with a political nutter, left or right.

how should Lefties be treated?
Paul1405,
The same way they treat non-Lefties !

ttbn,
> This is about one of those gutless bed wetters, not sure enough of his own beliefs to allow
> people to hear contrary views in his pissy little pub in pissy little Hobart, and get paid for it.

More like someone sure enough of his own beliefs to want to avoid any part in mass deception, even when that means missing out on a commercial opportunity.

Standing up for free speech is not the only valid response in this situation. Many consider truth to be more important.

Beliefs and the truth are not always the same thing. People who are too frightened to have their beliefs tested are not sure of the truth.

Indy,

I think we know what a person with your far right extremist mentality would like to see done with those you don't agree with. Its not pleasant.

Says a lot about supposed conservative and/or nativist libertarians when a significant small medium size business exercises it's 'freedom & liberty' vs. (fossil fueled) ideologues, sock puppets and grifters platformed by media?

Because it's not about 'freedom & liberty' but the imported US radical right libertarian modus operandi, seen in UK too, of demanding access to public institutions to present (& denigrate others etc.), while claiming censorship, LGBT/CRT promotion, cancel culture, wokeness, no men's rights, etc.

The Anglosphere right has become a noise machine to inspire more baby boomers and oldies to vote against the future of working age and youth who they outnumber?

Paul said- "That nonsense, is far more dangerous talk than anything humerus I might post."

Answer- You might have to get your "armie" for that "humerus" comment- (rather than humorous)- rofl

http://www.britannica.com/science/humerus

It's hard when English isn't your first language- also when I've had one too many Scotch.