AC, can you expand on that fly by "irrelevant crap" comment. In your opinion did the Holocaust take place, and/or in the numbers generally propagated. Some say no, its all anti Nazi propaganda to make that nice man Hitler look bad.

What's your take?

"In recent years Protestant Nazi Germany was responsible for the murder of 6,000,000 Jews."

Its just a ridiculous assertion. The Holocaust was carried out by a very unProtestant Nazi Germany who leadership were not only not practicing Christians but were antithetical to all things Christian.

See if you agree with these statements....

* the Holodomor (7 million Ukrainians killed) was carried out by Russian Orthodox Soviet Russia
*the Killing Fields (2 million Cambodians massacred) was carried out by Buddhist Khmer Rouge Cambodia
* the Rape of Nanking (300000 killed) was carried out by Shinto Japan
* the Great Leap Forward (70 million killed) was carried out by Confucian Communist China

Anti-Semitism isn't something unique to Christianity. Its at the very core of Islam. Whatismore, it precedes Christianity. The Romans went after the Jews with particular relish and Nebuchadnezzar was no fan either.

So the genocide was a Nazi atrocity not a Christian one. It should also be noted that extermination of the Jew was not the original Nazi aim. They had previously allowed almost all German Jews to leave and up to 1942 the general Nazi idea was to find the Jews a homeland as far from Europe as possible. Had the war gone better for the Nazis (eg a peace treaty with Britain in 1940) Hitler's aim was to move the Jews to somewhere like Madagascar - a plan not dissimilar to FDR's 'M project'. It was only when the war started going badly for them that they settled on a different 'final solution' to the Jewish problem.

Re the asserted link between war and genocide...

The Holodomor in Ukraine took place when there was no war.
The Killing Fields in Cambodia - no war.
Mao's genocide - no war.
The Uyghur genocide currently occurring - no war

To mhaze- sometimes I think certain people such as Paul1405, Foxy bait the conversation in order to score a political point- by discussing the topic the way they've framed it "they win"- but your knowledge as always is impressive- kudos.

Even getting drawn into discussions on The Holocast seems to enable them to score a point.

Someone put me onto a book The Holocast Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein

"In his memoir he recalls strongly identifying with the outrage that his mother... felt at the carnage the United States wrought in Vietnam. One childhood friend recalls his mother's "emotional investment in left-wing humanitarian causes as bordering on hysteria". He "internalized [her] indignation", a trait that he admits rendered him "insufferable" when talking about the Vietnam War, and that imbued him with a "holier-than-thou" attitude he now regrets."

http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation-Suffering/dp/1781685614

I was surprised to learn that Khmer Rouge were Red (Communist) Khmer's- well rouge does mean red in French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge

"The Khmer Rouge is the name that was popularly given to members of the Communist Party of Kampuchea and by extension to the regime through which the CPK ruled Cambodia between 1975 and 1979. The name was coined in the 1960s by then Prime Minister Norodom Sihanouk to describe his country's heterogeneous, communist-led dissidents, with whom he allied after his 1970 overthrow."

So the Khmer Rouge appears both Buddhist and Communist. Yet Maoist's seem to reject (or kill) Buddhism.

Heterogeneous seems to be another word for 'multicultural'- in this case 'multicultural killers'.

mhaze, earlier you said the war saved the Jews, through Allied intervention, then you claimed it hastens their demise as the war was going badly for Hitler. What's it to be.

Yes CM, talk of the Holocaust does tend to stifle your philosophical argument. It's full of inconvenient truths which doesn't do your brand of extremism much good.

Talking about multiculturalism?

I wonder how many people realize that the British
for example are not a single race but a hotchpotch of
ethnic groups that have settled within their shores down
the centuries.

They are well and truly a mixed bunch. The notion of racial
purity among the British is a fallacy and their multiculturalism
dates back to the Dark Ages and beyond.

The Celts and Picts were among the most ancient settlers of the
British Isles. They were followed by the Romans in the first
century AD. Then there was a succession of invasions by the
Jutes, the Angles and the Saxons. There's more at the
following link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk.2/hi/uk_news/1288231.stm

Interesting.