Hi David F,

My definition of 'Old Fart' is a regressive with no forward thinking ability. Clear of mind, clear of thought, could be a progressive thinker at 96, or a regressive nong at 26. Nothing to do with age, all to do with attitude.

ttbn, couldn't even type the heading, do it once its a mistake, do it twice like you, makes you a goose.

Btw, sorry for misspelling your nick, add it to your dozens of spelling mistakes, people in glass houses....

Great, why not fill their minds with more irrelevant crap.

Dear Josephus,

The following is more on the subject of Christian ideas promoting Jew hatred.

https://medium.com/solus-jesus/five-common-anti-semitic-christian-teachings-ca72d5ac10aa

The person who wrote is a Christian pastor. Some Christians have looked at their own faith with a critical eye.

Paul 1405,

Sad. Very sad. You just keep making a fool of yourself.

In reference to David F's comment http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9739#329529

According to David F's link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism#Early_years

"In 1519, Luther challenged the doctrine Servitus Judaeorum ("Servitude of the Jews"), established in Corpus Juris Civilis by Justinian I from 529 to 534. He wrote: "Absurd theologians defend hatred for the Jews. ... What Jew would consent to enter our ranks when he sees the cruelty and enmity we wreak on them—that in our behavior towards them we less resemble Christians than beasts?"[3]

In his 1523 essay That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew, Luther condemned the inhuman treatment of the Jews and urged Christians to treat them kindly."

Martin Luther's change in attitude to the Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies#Against_the_Jews

"In August 1536, Luther's prince, John Frederick, Elector of Saxony, issued a mandate that prohibited Jews from inhabiting, engaging in business in, or passing through his realm. An Alsatian shtadlan, Rabbi Josel of Rosheim, asked a reformer, Wolfgang Capito, to approach Luther in order to obtain an audience with the prince, but Luther refused every intercession. In response to Josel, Luther referred to his unsuccessful attempts to convert Jews: "I would willingly do my best for your people but I will not contribute to your [Jewish] obstinacy by my own kind actions. You must find another intermediary with my good lord." Heiko Oberman notes this event as significant in Luther's attitude toward Jews: "Even today this refusal is often judged to be the decisive turning point in Luther's career from friendliness to hostility toward the Jews" yet, Oberman contends that Luther would have denied any such "turning point". Rather he felt that Jews were to be treated in a "friendly way" in order to avoid placing unnecessary obstacles in their path to Christian conversion, a genuine concern of Luther."

So it seems that initially Martin Luther was sympathetic to the Jewish situation but over time he seemingly came to believe that Hebrew's were just seeking to establish a beachhead for invasion through bad faith superficialities.

Throughout literature there is talk of crypto-Jews, crypto-Muslims, etc- perhaps there is also such a beast as a crypto-Communist.

There is usually two sides to an argument.

Kudos to Josephus on correctly holding Paul1405 to account to his plain gaslighting tactic to attack quote un-quote "anti-semitism".

1. Using the word anti-semitic implies that Hebrew Semite's are incapable of wrong or criticism- itself is prejudice
2. everyone is prejudiced and so everyone has to be prejudiced
3. It appears to be prejudiced to demand that a people not be allowed to control their own culture and territory according to what they believe is in their own interest
4. One prejudice doesn't justify another
5. I'm sure there are items I've missed in this list