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Western Civilisation In Crisis

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yes, recent trends hardly good for many.

House prices increasing twice rate of wages, not to mention much higher rents for those not able to purchase.

Hard to know what will play out in next 20 years, but signs are not good.

If push towards renewables makes many more struggle due to much higher prices, then dissent is likely to increase further
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 4:11:28 PM
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Foxy, a good article.
I was watching the SBS last night and the rise of America from the Plymouth Puritans to those following seeking land grabs. It began as a religious colony to those who followed to stealing land from the original occupiers till law and order applied. Though cheap labour was imported from Africa.

Originally Western Christianity was about advancing a culture to all nations, but in every situation was followed by slave traders and labour opportunists. Businesses are still looking for cheap labour, that has nothing to do with Western Christian culture.

I am connected to missions in West Papua where we are training the locals self determination skills like Coffee plantations and the use of local timbers, However businesses are moving into the area looking at mining etc which will bring in undesirable culture.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 5:08:23 PM
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Quote Article: "Why the Radical Left DESTROYS Our Cities | Michael Shellenberger | Ep 122
Author Michael Shellenberger knows the radical Left. In high school, he joined the Sandinistas. As an environmentalist, he worked alongside eco-anarchists. In the 1990s, he literally designed policy with George Soros. But the progressives of today scare him. The Left is attacking every single institution. These modern leftists want to destroy our country and everything that makes it wonderful. In this episode of "The Glenn Beck Podcast," Shellenberger reveals the Left's anti-civilization agenda. His latest book, "San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities," challenges many of the Left's recent myths and delusions and exposes the Left's tendency to completely destroy cities, which are where leftists happen to be most concentrated. Shellenberger came away from writing "San Fransicko" convinced that everyone should be pro-police. "If you really care about black lives, you should be pro-police," he tells Glenn. "San Fransicko" has already pissed off progressives. They have responded exactly the way Shellenberger describes in the book: by ignoring the data and attacking him personally and pretending he doesn't know what he's talking about. He does. This interview proves it."
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 5:23:56 PM
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"My name is Bill Gray, and I’m the associate vice president of national donor outreach at Hillsdale College. It’s my responsibility to invite like-minded conservatives (like you!) to support Hillsdale.

I don’t use the word “battle” lightly, but with the stakes so high one must be blunt.

It’s clear to me that we are in a fight for the future of our nation—a fight against progressives who are targeting our youngest citizens. These so-called “progressives” seek to undermine traditional patriotism and ultimately transform American government and society.

The New York Times’ recent “1619 Project” is the prime example of this effort to inject into the minds of our youngest citizens a biased distortion of our nation’s history.

If you haven’t heard, the “1619 Project” places the founding of America in 1619, when the first slave arrived in Jamestown, rather than in 1776 when the Declaration of Independence proclaimed that “all men are created equal” and endowed by God with “unalienable rights.” “Our democracy’s founding ideals,” the “1619 Project” claims, “are false when they were written.

Outrageous!

The New York Times’ stated goal with the “1619 Project” is to influence the curricula of K-12 schools nationwide. They teach young people that slavery—not freedom—is and always will be the central and defining idea of the American experience, making our country irredeemable.

This project has garnered universal acclaim from the news media. In fact, the lead essayist just won a Pulitzer Prize! There are even talks about making the “1619 Project” into a feature film.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 6:05:05 PM
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ttbn,

OLD FART. DEFINITION; someone who is boring and old-fashioned. A Person who does not like change.

Could be 18 or 80, but that's you.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 9:17:18 PM
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Hi Foxy,

As far as history goes, all I'm asking for is 'truth telling', the sanitized version of the past as told from an unchallenged European perspective is no longer acceptable, and needs to be called out. The fact that the truth upsets certain people is too bad, one here affectively calls me a traitor to my country and my culture for saying so. It was possible to articulate a misleading account of history as the only tellers were those that had a vested interest in portraying history from a biased European standpoint. It ruffles a few feathers to think that minorities today have the audacity to demand simple truth telling of history.

You said; "What should be concerning to us all is the fact that over the past few years there have been negative changes. We have entered the age of authoritarian men - from Putin, Xi-jinping, Kim-Jong-un (and Donald Trump)." Its not new, we're fought with tyrants in various ways from Neapolitan to Adolf Hitler for hundreds of years. That's not to say we should not resist tyranny wherever it exists, but we certainly can't respond to these events in a simple militaristic way. In the case of China the old gunboat diplomacy doesn't work anymore, its a far too complex and powerful relationship for that.

"... If you think that the whole idea of Western civilization is reactionary and oppressive, wait until you get a load of the world that comes after it." Well yes, but that's like saying it better to shoot yourself in the foot than the head, and I don't think that at all. Some aspects of Western civilization need reform, and progressive people work to instigate those reforms. Our universal liberal democracy is a relatively new process, its only been with us in certain countries for a very short time, about 100 years or so. It's fragile, and not only do we need to protect it from external threats, but internal threats as well, from extremist of all persuasions.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 7:41:09 AM
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