Various businesses have different forms to record one’s visit as well as the phone/camera system, but I see no recording at all at petrol stations.

Petrol stations would seem to be high risk areas yet I haven’t been asked to do anything, perhaps it’s just local inertia.

Thoughts?

Dear Is Mise,

It seems about 90% are signing in at our local servo. I suppose it is mainly in and out for most people. But they really all should be signing in.

I have wondered whether they might use EFTPos cards to track people down from a certain time period. Perhaps it is a privacy thing.

Is Mise,

Many petrol stations do take people's details.
I'm sure that with time things will eventually
change and they will all do it.

Signing in to allow infection tracing is a simple but extremely helpful system. I am surprised that of the 8 businesses in my local village, it is only the hardware store that is doing it.

The use of the Covid app, has become too difficult for some where I observe many not signing in at K-mart, Coles, Woolies etc in Brisbane. Despite the law, shops are not enforcing sign in, a lazy false sense of security, which may bite us on our arses soon.

The other problem is vaccine hesitancy, we should have moved on from the bad publicity and terrible government communications, supply and roll-out disasters and now work on getting 95%+ fully vaccinated.

The situation in NSW due to the Gladys virus, shows when two incomperdent governments, state and federal collide, the result is government murder of hundreds of citizens.

To counter expected anti-lockdown protests in the Melbourne CBD on Saturday, the Andrews government is imposing a daytime curfew in the city, a ring of steel – key access roads blocked by crash barriers – surrounding the city centre, cancelling, or rerouting public transport, and having the heart of Melbourne swarm with police. Presumably with capsicum spray, tear gas and rubber bullets on hand.

When it comes to the public's health sometimes
responsible governments have to take a firm stand
to protect people whether a small minority likes
it or not. It's the responsible thing to do.
To do nothing when people are flaunting the rules
imposed for the good of everyone is not an option.
And could end up being even more costly in the
long term. After all we should be governed by the
rule of law - which applies to us all.

I only ever QR sign-in when the business personally asks me to, which I do without demur.

Otherwise I'd just as soon not abet the government in tracking my movements.

Wow mahze, you must be more important, & dangerous than we have realise, if the government, stretched as it is, would bother tracking your every movement. I have no worry that any of our governments, even the communist one in Victoria, have the interest in me, or the capacity, to bother tracking my movements.

If you are really worried about being tracked, you had better ditch any credit or debit cards. They are the ones that make it easy for you to be tracked electronically.

The same goes for any mobile device you may carry. Best not purchase stuff over the net either, that is really easy to track. You manually signing in to shops is pretty hard to trace, compared to these.

Personally I only carry the old mobile phone because the kids gave me an old one they had finished with, & asked me to carry it when out in a car. They obviously don't think I can still fix the cars I built myself out of various parts cars, & want to keep me "safe" what ever that is today. I have no idea what these apps are or how to use them, probably because I don't want to know, but I am happy to sign in to aid tracing if I've visited a trouble spot.

I would find it flattering if any of our governments considered me interesting or important enough to bother tracking me, but I doubt they will bother.

I am with you Foxy! To ensure no more Covid everyone should be locked down forever, jabbed daily and if any protest is forthcoming bring out the snipers and flamethrowers! Then I thought who will man the security and murder squads? There were certainly people in the Jewish communities during the Holocaust called "Kapos" who killed to delay their own death so it is possible.
Then I thought again how about a new campaign, $700 a week for all politicians and the public service for the duration of the pandemic? How about curfews for even the politicians with those ankle trackers to ensure compliance?
Then I thought about the average age of victims of Covid all unfit and usually elderly. These poor people would not be water skiing and such. Most were actually in aged care anyway but they would all be not too inconvenienced by a lock down.
On balance I think we need to ensure no politician ever gives themselves wartime powers they are exercising at the moment but just addresses the vulnerable in the community.
Sorry Foxy you are completely wrong and I believe your error will be apparent before the end of next year.

Hasbeen,

"Wow mahze, you must be more important, & dangerous than we have realise, if the government, stretched as it is, would bother tracking your every movement. "

Well no, they don't need to track or target me personally at this moment, just have the ability to do so at some time. There's these newfangled things called computers. You might have heard of them - they've been in all the papers. Well they allow the government to store large amounts of information that is available as needs be. Now if you combine that with a rudimentary understanding of history then you realise that, while they may not be interested in this or that person now, the future is unclear. Perhaps a rudimentary reading about East Germany would be in order.

So while its unlikely to occur, best not to tempt fate by kowtowing to the authoritarians - as seems to be your want.

" you are really worried about being tracked, you had better ditch any credit or debit cards. They are the ones that make it easy for you to be tracked electronically."

You'd be amazed at what a combination of aVPN and a virtual debit card can do. Combine that with a US or UK mail address service and your purchases become virtually invisible to all but the most determined of investigators.

Can all this Orwellian Big Brother stuff detect whether of not you have actually done whatever it is you are supposed to do with your you-beaut smart phone, or if you have merely pointed it for show? Or, if you are using pen and paper, what you have actually written?

I now support the protesters in Melbourne, even though I know it's a Covid risk. The mandatory vaccination policy and jabbing the kids, is enough for me to see that government has gone too far in the mess it's made, and people have a right to not be coerced into taking the vaccine and not be discriminated or penalised because of their position.

So I hope them boys down there in Melbourne give 'em hell.

They already have chips in the QLD drivers licenses and they are moving to contactless.
When I cross a toll road or bridge, the beeper in my car (which likely has a sim card of sorts) automatically detects me.
Why would it be any different for these licenses?
They say the technology is for future uses, but they don't say what that will be.

Also I heard the other day that if you go out to a club and need to show ID, the premises doesn't simply get proof that you are of age.
The get your name, address, photo, everything.

Do I think it's right that bouncers have access to drunk girl home addresses when they leave alone?
No, I don't.

AC,

Yes. I support them too, as Andrews becomes more like Mr. Hyde by the day. As for danger, I believe that it is still true that there has never been a case of open air transmission.

It is possible to avoid going to venues where you have to provide ID and proof vaccination. These same businesses that whine about loss of income have joined the bad guys for their own benefit. Bugger them. Don't patronise them. They have been regarded by Big Brother as non-essential, which they are, so save your money.

A telling thing about the tradies' demos, which they look like continuing, is the break between Labor and its actual labour base. Victorian Labor is going to end up with no friends other than the intellectual Left, which doesn't work or produce anything.

These demonstrations in Victoria are what happens when politicians forget their places in a democracy, and act like dictators, as Daniel Andrews has. Frustration boils over when the rule of law and the tenets of Western civilisation are thrown out. It's not nice, but it is understandable - and inevitable - as long as we have politicians like Andrews and the premiers of WA, NSW and QLD.

All the sanctimonious do-gooders are pontificating about "thugs" - even "right wing" thugs, which the union movement is now apparently riddled with! - and the media is moaning about being attacked.

But, hey, scribblers and gabblers, you are the main scare-mongers and urgers for tougher lockdowns, and supporters of job losses, when you are protected from all the bad stuff yourselves. What do you expect?

"So I hope them boys down there in Melbourne give 'em hell."..."Yes. I support them too"

AC and ttbn,

Nice to see a couple of you 'Usual Suspects' supporting far right violent extremists. A rampaging mob of Nazi's, white susprimists and anti-vaxxing Trumpsters, whose vote ends up in the Liberal pile, just like yours.

Paul, with his magic wand, has turned union members into "far right violent extremists. A rampaging mob of Nazi's, white susprimists and anti-vaxxing Trumpsters, whose vote ends up in the Liberal pile ...".

Not sure what "susprimists" are.

Hi Paul1405,
There is reasoning and merit in my position.
- Let me try and lay it out for you.

Firstly, I supported the lockdowns because I oppose other people spreading Covid if it results in others being harmed.
More Covid, more dead.

That said, I understand I'm now supporting a position where Covid will spread and people will likely die as a result.
I don't like holding that position, but I don't support mandatory vaccinations nor jabbing the kids, which could do just as much harm.

Even though I support the protests and by default this position will do harm, I don't necessarily support speading Covid, lets make that clear.

If you all remember I said I supported the lockdowns, but that I also believe the problem was a failure to close the country to international arrivals / or a failure to provide offshore quarantine / or negligence in putting quarantine in our capital cities.

I only supported the lockdowns as a stop-gap measure to keep people safe in light of government incompetence in quarantine.

- But I also stated early on, that I believed if peoples right to public protest was effectively suspended, then the governments right to also make new laws should also be at least in part SUSPENDED.

But they've gone too far in wanting to jab the kids with an experimental vaccine that hasn't been tested for long term side effects;
Whether data does or does not exist, there's enough evidence regarding the vaccines safety just via the TGA's Database Adverse Event Notifications;
50 pages of different symptoms under adverse reactions
- More than enough to be concerned about this stuff forced into kids.

Also I saw it reported that news crews are being prevented from flying over the protests to cover them;
It may be that police don't want it advertised where they're set up, But in any case, preventing the media from reporting the truth is a serious breach of democracy;
One which earns the government 'Regime' status who are 'No longer fit to rule'

I'm just sick of it all,

Starting with government incompetence and failure of quarantine;
People not allowed to go to work
People forced to quit careers they spent years in study and debt for.
Doctors not allowed to tell the truth;
Media not allowed to report the truth;
Media deliberately obfuscating the truth;
People not allowed to protest or object;
People being vilified everywhere for simply having an opinion;
People not allowed to take alternative medication if they choose not to get vaccinated.
Parents and kids being coerced into taking unsafe vaccines so that governments can get re-elected.
People who are employed getting paid, to shite on those without jobs.

All because governments were pandering to foreign money.
- And wouldn't shut the doors on international arrivals -

Sorry but things have gone too far.
When the left do it it's never a problem at all;
So I say go right ahead, they can go and wreck up the place and cause chaos just like the left themselves so frequently do.

You can't just have the protests that suit you Paul1405.

I saw them saying the protesters were held up and the shrine of remembrance and trying to call them fringe elements etc;
Saying even diggers couldn't gather there on Anzac Day.

Well these people ARE the soldiers fighting for our country now.
The people in army uniforms they're just mercenaries fighting for Afghan opium and oil pipelines.

They say these people are at fault for collapsing health system, but they don't say how many nurses quit and other professions have quit or been fired under protest because they don't want the jab themselves.

Enough is enough, the government has overstepped it mark.

The government themselves created this mess when it started to divide people against each other over vaccines.

Openly saying it was coming for unvaccinated people lock, stock and barrel like Jacqui Lambie did.
Empowering a right for some to discriminate against others.
They overstepped, and this is where it gets them.

At some point they were going to have to pay for their own incompetence anyway.
This is what happens.

VicPol has been accused of initiating violence at Saturday's demo. Don't know. Wasn't there. But they have form, so the possibility can't be scoffed at. And spraying someone already cowering on the ground with capsicum spray (definitely seen online) is not all that flash. Such loss of control makes the community see police as the enemy, if they haven't already been made to feel that. That the CFMEU, part of the Labor machine in Victoria turned and hunted its leader off the street should register with Dictator Dan.

Calling signed up Laborites "right wing extremists" will go down a treat.

"far right violent extremists. A rampaging mob of Nazi's"

See that shite... well I'm sick of it.

I'm sick of all the built-in discrimination and denigration by the left that's come to be openly accepted.

'anti-vaxxers', 'fringe elements', 'white males'

Bigots, xenophobes, Christians, toxic masculinity, gender diversity;
ethic quotas, trans-phobic, women's empowerment, gender neutral,
hate speech advocates, climate denier.

All these words used to discriminate and denigrate;
By those who falsely claim to hold themselves to some assumed higher set of values than the rest of us;
- But are themselves THE WORST OFFENDERS of all.