Alex
I just wanted to add that the other person who has worked hard for the animals actually morgaged their home to keep things going.

If you looked at that scappy thread you will se a person promising to call the one small fund support we have.
In fact we feel its already done.
That simply means we are unable to contuine anyway.
I am Germann born and I came to QLD to help because I love Animals more than anything in the world. I know my english and spelling is a draw back but I try for the Animals.
I am also a wild life carer.
I am respected world wide and I must say I have never experienced the unfriendly people involved with other groups before.
Never.!
There is a large amount of information and contacts somebody like you may be able to use if you email Antje at our web site address.

My friend asked me to pass on to you that if we close you might like it.
I dont know for sure because its very much up to that person but I think its kind of too much now after years of trying being rubbished.
We would like to thank you for helping animals.

Hi PALE
I'm getting a bit confused - were the last two posts from two people or one? Not knowing a whole lot about PALE or all this history it's a little difficult to follow. Adding another "name" in the Tasmanian (i.e. small) scheme of things would cause more problems than it would solve, I suspect; there is already Against Animal Cruelty Tasmania and Live Export Shame Tasmania and there appears to be something new called "Stop Tasmanian Animal Cruelty". It seems to be looking at the law and how cruelty matters are dealt with, but I don't know who is behind either of the last two.
One thing is that in spite of media coverage about the "Al Messilah" voyage,Roerts continues to "refuse to comment", which can only be a good thing. It is confirmed that there will be no shipment out of Devonport in 2008 either, which can also only be a good thing.
My advice, for what it is worth, is to perhaps stick with what you are doing and don't buy into the arguments on the other threads. There doesn't seem much to gain by wasting energy getting off the topic and letting yourself/ves be part of slanging matches.
Regards
Alex

Alex
The posts were both from myself Antje. The other offer was not meant to take over any name just for the docs and contacts info and such.

Do you mind I I also offfer a suggestion to you?
When you post put up Live Animal Exports insteadof just live Exports.
Many people do not make the connection.
AACT is run by a fantsic lady Yvette Watt still as far as I know.
Suzzanne Caz was pretty much running it and she is very dedicated.

I think she may now be running another group however I am unsure.

They are probably just trucking further and watch out for night ship going to a back warf as they have done inn the past in other places.

Yes I agree the other posts that were set up are both hard to follow and unhelpful

This is just an example of how uncaring some are too animals suffering.
Anyway I will se what happens at the next meeting which is soon.
Keep up the good work.
I may open a thread regarding loss of employment due to live animals exports.

Of course I possibly wont be able to get the message out if current nonesense continues.
I am thinking of going back to Canberra.

Will pop in this thread and say bye if I am'
Take care of the tasi Animals and thanks.

Hi Pale
All the best in Canberra. Kevin Rudd is probably a lost cause with his "me too" mentality, but Julia Gillard and Kerry O'Brien might be worth bailing up.
I think that AACT now has an Executive Officer named Jennifer Beer, although Yvette Watt seems to be very much involved still. From the article in the Mercury Suzanne Cass seems to be doing the Live Export Shame thing from Tasmania - the main site seems to be WA oriented. It's an excellent site. Stop Tasmanian Animal Cruelty looks to be just starting out, and so far is focussing on the legal aspects, how cruelty cases are dealt with by the courts with a bit on intensive farming and links to the law and the "Standards" (Codes of Practice).
The ships that leave Devonport with live animals for Victoria, and from there who knows where (and it's impossible to find out) are "roll on/roll off" ships, the "Searoad Tamar" and the "Searoad Mersey" - the animals go on on the trucks and there they stay - I did hear that lambs are trucked as far away as Dubbo in NSW for slaughter, and that a few weeks ago, someone nicked 120 sheep (old, ill ones) from a local saleyard - they were destined for a long haul to Ballarat in Victoria for slaughter (so good luck to whoever nicked them).
It really is ludicrous (and terribly cruel).
I understand that less animals are leaving Tasmania at the moment because the slaughterhouses here are running at capacity, and that is the reason that there is no shipment planned from Devonport for 2008.
Catch you next time you drop in.
Regards
Alex.
PS - Sorry - did you say that you and Antji are different people both belonging to PALE or was it just Antji?

Alex
I have asked Antje to post this reply to you as pale from myself and of course she is the person who posts on OLO. My name is Wendy. I am the President and we are impressed by your efforts
Your information is very helpful. I asked Antje to post the first few which I did on word doc for you.
Sorry to be so paranoid but some wants us off OLO.
Shame was stared by Dawn in WA . Shes very good. Several years ago I spoke with Christa in Germany who stated Animal Angles and was going to fly her over here to meet personally with media.
I included several others but I was quitly emailed a copy of a meeting to catch up with Christa in WA instead.
Apparently I was told Suzzanne and Dawm and one other didnt want pale there.
Suzzanne originally started through our petition.
pale does not think we will stop live exports until we bring new buyers into the meat trade.
Most groups will not support setting up abattoirs so hense the problem
The other real problem is this control over animal groups run by PETA who are veggie enables the media to write off Animals groups as extreme.
I have never experienced such utter disunity in people working together as exsists in Animal groups .
We now do our own thing but many want us gone.
We do not fund raise and we only care about animals not paying ourselves.
If we DONT establish more plants in Australia this will only get worse.
Much Worse.
Well lets see if Antje goes or stays.
best wishes Alex

Hi PALE
I don't really know about what has gone on before and I don't reckon there's much to be gained by going over it. You may be right about the markets, I don't know about that really either - that sort of stuff could probably be dealt with best by the AMIEU - maybe in Tasmania the Tasmanian Farmers and Graziers Association might be worth talking to. They are in Launceston, I think. There was a man there called David Byard who seemed okay (he was the Chairman of their Meat Division), but I don't think he's there any more. He just started some brand of "superior" Tasmanian meat under the "Wilderness" brand. A Google White Pages search would find him (somewhere like Pipers River rings some bells) I think Roger Swain is the CEO of the TFGA now, but not sure about that. They are always after the "biggest bang for the buck".
All the best
Regards
Alex