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Australians Getting The Governments They Deserve

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According to a NewsCorp survey, two thirds of Australians now support a Covid "passport" to access "privileges". Note: privileges are now what we used to call freedoms or rights.

There is little hope for Australian democracy when the citizenry itself is too frightened to stand up for it. Never has the adage that people get the governments they deserve been truer. It's a shame that the twenty or so percent of us who don't deserve it will go under with them.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 9:36:10 AM
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I think that there is great hope for Australian democracy when the citizenry itself actions processes that are for the benefit of all Australians at the cost of temporary personal opportunities.

It is wonderful to see younger Australians willing to step up and do what is right - even if there is 20% of the population who do not appreciate their efforts.
Posted by WTF? - Not Again, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 11:54:29 AM
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WTF,

Nobody said that the sheep in this case were all young (er). There are as many silly old buggers as there are silly young buggers.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 12:08:24 PM
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Dear Ttbn,

I wish there was no state and no government.

Regardless, with or without a government, people should be able to defend themselves, also people should be able to freely choose whom they wish to associate with and whom they don't.

A business-owner for example should be able to select, at their absolute discretion, who comes into their gates (with no "anti-discrimination" constraints either), and may legitimately decide that only vaccinated people will. A "COVID passport" will allow them to know who is and who isn't vaccinated to their required level, so they can offer their patrons an as much as possible COVID-free environment.

Thus I am surprised why you object to such measures: are you asking for the freedom to cheat and sneak in uninvited into other people's premises? are you asking for the freedom to infect others who, regardless of government, regardless of your own view of the virus, strive to do all they can to stay away from the virus?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 4:46:59 PM
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http://youtu.be/XljmO_KPQaM

Horror Movie it's the 6;30 News
And it's shocking me right outta my brain...

That's all I've got right now.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 7:17:55 PM
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silly old buggers
ttbn,
Yes, those moron Whitlam supporters who helped him cause the crap are getting old now !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 2 September 2021 6:25:07 AM
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Australians have become frightened forelock tuggers, reliant on government telling them what they can do and what they cannot do. They will make excellent subjects of the Chinese Communist Party sometime in the future.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 2 September 2021 7:24:36 AM
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"Munchausen Syndrome" might be what all these Australians cheering on lockdowns and loss of freedoms are suffering from.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 2 September 2021 11:15:00 AM
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Nobody alive today has had any experience of a virus like covid19.
All who are in a position of authority are trying to guess what may
or may not happen.
So some we have put in power are having their best guess.
After it is all over an enquiry that has all the data may be able to
work out what would have worked better.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 2 September 2021 1:00:26 PM
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Dear Bazz,

I think you're right. We've never had anything like
this. It's global. And we need to deal with it as
best as we can. But the media also needs to stop
spreading the fear. It helps no one.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 2 September 2021 2:17:15 PM
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"Australians have a reputation for rugged individualism, grit and competence. But when it comes to the pandemic, we have seen another side to my country: insecure, anxious and frozen by the fear of death from Covid. A recent global poll found that Australians are more worried about the virus than any other western country. They have been scared witless by the hysteria of politicians, chief medical officers and the media."(Alexander Downer).

Like me and an apparent minority of freedom-loving Australians, Downer is amazed at how popular the EXTRAORDINARY restrictions on free movement have been. "They have been warmly welcomed by the Australian public"! How cringing and scaredy catty for the few cases we have.

I'm waiting for the uproar after the morons ruining the economy tell the scaredy cats how much paying off the debt is going to cost them.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 2 September 2021 3:21:27 PM
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Mark Latham suggests that the Australian people "need to reclaim their self-respect, to stop politicians from treating them like children."

Latham has also pointed out that, instead of establishing a National Cabinet, Scott Morrison could have used the constitutional quarantine powers of the Commonwealth to create an Australia-wide policy of open interstate borders and minimal lockdown periods. Instead, he empowered provincial leaders to put millions of people under house arrest in state-based health dictatorships.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 2 September 2021 3:44:13 PM
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I read a piece today which describes Australians as a "nation of toddlers, craving parental protection". Australians in general are to blame, wanting politicians to tell them what to do, and how to stay safe; and to tell them, as some of the ignorant scaremongers do, that Covid is the most dangerous bug ever - when it is not. It's the people giving up their rights and freedoms, and politicians think all their Christmases have come at once: they have never had so much power. And the same ordinary citizens are turning on friends and neighbours, dobbing them in to the cops a la Iron Curtain days.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 2 September 2021 5:14:31 PM
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If we're getting the governments we deserve, then what that means is that we must all be mentally retarded.
Just reading this article here, and it's truly as if people think they can lie and get away with it, that we're all idiots, and you know what?
We must be.

http://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/gold-coast-school-closed-after-student-boasts-about-trip-to-covid-19-hotspot-melbourne-c-3850559

>>”This family is refusing to be tested and so far is not cooperating with authorities and refusing to reveal where they’ve been.
”We know some of the family members are unwell, we don’t know if it’s COVID, but we have to treat it as if it is.”
School principal Christine Harman said in a letter to parents on Monday that none of the family were positive for COVID-19."<<

Why is the principal assuring parents that none of the family are positive for Covid, if they've refused to be tested and are sick and unwell?

Do other people read this crap and pick up on it?
Or, are too dumb to even see the lie told to parents, or do we think that its ok to act this way?
And they actually PRINT it, like the person who wrote it can't even see the hypocrisy?
I'll give you a real story, real journalism;
- Let's go ask the school principal why she lied to parents and why her position of employment shouldn't be terminated?
That would be a story.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 2 September 2021 5:35:34 PM
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AC,

No. We are not all idiots. About 20% to perhaps 30% of us are OK. Some of the idiots are responsible for those people you refer to not being tested or arrested like other people who have refused to obey lawful instructions. They are in isolation, though, and shouldn't be allowed into the community until they are tested. As far as I am aware, there are no religious based exemptions, but given the idiots/ cowards dealing with such things, I might be wrong. We have had a religious spokeswoman recently bitching about Covid rules being - somehow - worse for her religion than it is for others, while the idiots reacted by saying that they had put themselves out more for the whingers, including feeding their camels, or something else that eats hay. Health emergencies and multiculturalism don't gel.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 2 September 2021 7:45:58 PM
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ttbn,
Our town is presently frequented by the left-overs of a music festival & let me tell you, it's scary.
Not as in these people being bad, they're just utterly un-cultured doped-up drongos & more than likely not looking for gainful employment after the fun.
It's scary because they're required by Law to vote.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 2 September 2021 11:48:54 PM
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Individual,

Let's hope that they are so out of it that their votes are informal; or that that they don't even go to polling booths. Ferals like them usually fall outside polite society - untraceable, unfinable, etc. The ones whose votes worry me are the Greens and their like.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 3 September 2021 9:26:28 AM
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