I have a post coming on the effectiveness of current vaccines. Not much use.

We need to develop effective antivirus treatments, as developed for treatment of HIV. Then we have a chance of living with this thing, & not otherwise.

I have organised local supply of Ivermectin with a script, bought from the local chemist, & overseas supply of Hydroxychloroquine & Quercetin. Correct dosages & necessary supplements are a problem, with just information from overseas being less than certain, but this is at least better than vaccines of doubtful safety.

A suitably developed treatment plan could allow the development of herd immunity much more successfully, but is unlikely with various elements using the problem to further their objectives.

At some stage we are going to have to let the infections rip, & this will be very dangerous for many with the current vaccines as the main support.

Dear Mhaze,

«The Pfizer vaccine needs to be kept at roughly zero degrees centigrade during its transport.»

In fact it should be around -70C°, but nothing there that money could not solve.

The problem is that this would be illegal and a criminal offense in Australia.
It is also currently illegal to have a COVID vaccine without reporting it to government.

mhaze,

You conveniently forget that in Sydney's nursing homes 90% of inmates are vaccinated, whilst in Melbourne 0% were vaccinated, has that slipped your mind, vaccination saves lives. You have been wrong from the start on every count when it comes to Covid, like others here as a Trumpster you took the word of Dangerous Doctor Donald, and got it totally wrong.

I hope you get vaccinated and don't just become another statistic on Morrisons failure list.

Paul wrote:"You conveniently forget that in Sydney's nursing homes 90% of inmates are vaccinated"

I don't know why this is so hard for you to fathom. The figures I last gave had the nursing home deaths removed for both states. So issues about whether the residents were vaccinated or not, were Federally controlled or not, were religious or not and so forth were immaterial.

Again, even after all nursing home data is removed Victoria has twice the death rate as NSW. That is, Victorians outside the nursing homes were twice as likely to die as NSWelshman outside nursing homes.

We all know SR is the numeric dunce in the group. Are you issuing a challenge?

"I hope you get vaccinated and don't just become another statistic on Morrisons failure list."

I'm already vaccinated. Indeed, I suspect I was the first in the OLO group to be fully vaccinated - two A-Z shots.

As I've mentioned before, at the beginning of the year I had responsibility and care for three octogenarians. Since then one has passed (not of Covid but a blood disease she'd been battling for 2 decades) and one has become a nonagenarian. Additionally, my wife is currently undergoing a course of chemo and is therefore heavily immuno-compromised.

With all of that, I was way up near the top of eligible vaccine recipients when those lists were first compiled. Although, had it just been me, I wouldn't have got the shot, given my responsibilities to very vulnerable others, I happily took the risk and got the jabs. I was pretty crook after the first but got over it.

All my charges are equally double-dosed. One advantage of having the maximum immunity currently possible is that it opens doors that would otherwise be slammed shut eg getting in to see doctors and specialists and having people like physios visit the older people I care for.

My main concern is my wife for whom the WuFlu would probably be a death sentence. As such she is utterly sequestered and, apart from the odd doctor, I'm the only person she sees or has any one-on-one contact. As people like Foxy will attest, that, for my wife, is probably a fate worse than death.

mhaze, what part do you consider vaccination, even though its lagging behind in NSW due to Morrisons cock-up with the roll-out, has played in reducing deaths in that state. Also do you consider better hospital management of patients is a factor in the number of deaths.

As a Trumpster I assume you are in favour of disinfectant and bright lights up the clacker. After most of last year claiming Covid-19 was nothing more than a mild cold, given 10 million deaths what is your prognostication these days.