Ok, firstly I'm agnostic which means 'fence sitter'.
I support the 'I don't know' position.
There's not just 'believers' an 'unbelievers' you know, it's an ignorant view of things.
There's 3 categories, 'believers', 'unbelievers' and 'people who admit they don't know'.
And from my position, both believers and unbelievers are full of it,
Why? - because they BOTH claim to know, and they can't both be right, where I sit opposed to both the 'claiming to know' positions, in an 'I don't know position'
So when you assert, I don't believe in hell...
Well that's not precisely true, my position is 'I don't know'.

Religious people think good morals come from religion.
Why does one need to be religious to be a good person?
Maybe because in the mind of Christians all others are sinners etc.
I support ethics and principles OVER religion.
Christians might be opposed to something because it's sinful, and speak up about it;
Whereas I use ethics and principles to guide my decisions regarding right and wrong.

Am if my ethics and principles tell me that what Christians are doing is wrong, then I'll speak my mind, just as I would, ANY religion.

How will things in this world ever change for the better, if people won't stand up for what is right, and are so lost they don't even know the difference between right and wrong in the first place?

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And why are we even getting our tantys on anyway?
100 Covid cases detected in Blacktown on the day that preacher in was preaching.
- That guy was probably just there to fleece his own flock.
Do you not understand this?

If he really LOVED the members of his church, REALLY CARED about them, then HE WOULD NOT allow them to come if there was a risk of harm to them. A good shepherd protects his flock to see than no harm will come to them.
- And health is the greatest wealth.

Have a live online sermon, and ask people to donate, it's tax free after all, no need to pass the cash under the table.
He's willing to risk THEIR health for money.
- He just wants to pass the bag around.

Maybe he can make them feel guilty for not giving and impose upon them for cash more directly face to face than online, I don't know.

I oppose his selfishness, I oppose his putting of his church and local community at risk;
- And if he does not understand the concept of doing harm to others, then he shouldn't be preaching in the first place, the lowly charlatan.

If I see Christians doing harm to others, and it demonstrates how clueless and flawed their understanding of things is, I'm going to speak out every single time I see it, so you all may as well just get used to it.

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And if a preacher can get things wrong, then it's the blind leading the blind, is it not?
Does this not allude to the beliefs themselves being flawed, if so many Christians act this way and get it wrong?

Christians would do well to learn ethics, learn about doing harm to others, if they don't then they are rightfully due the criticism I bestow upon them.

Religious beliefs, are just 'something' they inserted into the space that was originally earmarked and reserved for ethics, by way of one's own conscience.

Thanks for your feedback AC.

SR thinks the numbers I gave Paul are "cute little predictions".

Obviously the discussion around them was too complex for SR - perhaps when I showed numbers to two decimal places it confused him. Even whole numbers seem to bamboozle SR.

Anyway SR, these weren't predictions. They were my actual calculations of the relative rate as at 20/8/21 after excluding deaths in Federally-funded nursing home.

"The NSW deaths from Covid will inevitably be in their thousands by the end of October"

In their 1000s?? WOW. Well I know what I'll be doing on 1 November. But expect that SR will suddenly decide he needs a sabbatical around that same time.

Paul,

has spent months trying to exonerate Chairman Dan by blaming it all on the nursing homes. So I decided to check the actual figures and found that, even after excluding Paul's lame excuse, Dan's performance was multiple times worse than Gladys'.

Paul's response? Well having used the nursing home excuse for months, he just simply dropped it and moved onto the next excuse on his 'How to excuse Dan' list.

It'd probably be easier if Paul just published the entire list although we all know that the only important point for Paul is that one is Labor and the other isn't. And for Paul that's the only statistic he needs to know.....Labor uber alles.

"a little bit of humour ".

Oh, that's passes for humour where you come from? Well that explains a lot.

mhaze, you don't deny quanentean and private aged care are Federal government responabilities. Morrison palmed those responabilities off to the states. With no vaccination available people in private aged care in Victoria were sitting ducks when the virus got out of control. Note it was Morrison's private, and not the state controlled public aged care where proper measures had been put in place by the Andrews government, that was a problem. By the time the incompetent Morrison gave permission for the state to go into his private aged care, it was too late and the damage was done and hundreds died.

In Sydney there has been deaths in aged care, but fortunately with high levels of vaccination those deaths have been limited. Nothing to do with the incompetent Berejiklian government response to the Gladys Virus.