It's all very well to head off to the gutter Foxy but, let's face it, this thread hasn't been your finest hour.

First you list a number of books which you intimate you're familiar with and which you assert support your point. But we then find that these books don't in the slightest support your point, that your are utterly UNfamiliar with them and really don't have the slightest notion what they're about. They were just a list that you found online which you thought you could slip through to bolster your esteem.

Then, showing that you learned precisely nothing from that salutary lesson, you decided to try to intimate a familiarity with another author. But to demonstrate your familiarity you end up quoting from an article about the author and even get that quote wrong. And in doing so you ignore the nuance that author has about Hitler and even leave out the nuance in the article you quote.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave...."

Dear mhaze,

ROFL.

Mate I have rammed evidence down your throat continuously but you are determined to studiously ignore it.

During the 1928 elections were the first one where the Nazis proper ran and the first contested without their leader behind bars.

The main right wing antisemitic party of that time was German Nationalist People's Party and it recorded the second highest amount of votes in that election. As said they ultimately joined the Nazis.

I said from the start it was the influx of Jewish refugees which laid fertile ground for the Nazi Party. You have tried to rubbish it by saying at the height of one such influx 1922/23 the Nazis didn't receive much of the vote in the 1924 elections, but to repeat they were banned and their leader was in jail.

The German people had a choice in 1930 and 1932 between the hard left and the hard right as a reaction to the depression gripping the country and they went with the avowedly antisemitic party/s.

It kind of reflected what happened during the Trump election where significant numbers of Bernie Sanders supporters fell in behind Trump when Bernie failed to get the Democrat nomination.

But listen, there really is no need to get so defensive. You obviously feel alone in this. Even CM who is most certainly not one of my biggest fans accepts what I have put. But look at it this way, you have most likely learnt something which you hadn't considered previously. It will take time, but I am confident at some stage others may well consider you well versed in this topic. That's just not the case now.

I wish you well on that journey.

However back to Graham's original question, was Hitler a Socialist? Well it is obvious from Goebbels's quotes that not really at all. In the face of that are you going to concede the point?

mhaze,

Just trying a bit of humour to lighten things up
because nothing else was working. But, Never mind.

As for this not being my finest hour?
Look in the mirror old chap. Your finest hour is
still to come. And I hope that it will eventually
happen for you.

Come on. Your history on this forum speaks for itself.
When have you got anything right. You've been discredited
so many times. Your posts speak for themselves. Look who
gives you kudos. That says a great deal. And yet you don't
stop. Your views on any subject are extremely one-eyed
narrow, and indicate such a narrow worldview.

You speak about my lack of knowledge. You have no idea of
knowing what my level of education is - or my life
experiences. And as I stated earlier - on this subject -
all you have to do is your research from very well known
sources like Ian Kershaw, Shirer, Speer, Conquest, (yes -
him too - "Reflections on a ravaged country") They all
indicate what those times were like.

Anyway, what you think does not make one iota of difference
to the general scheme of things. There's enough material
out there - for people to read and make up their own minds
on the subject. Trying to insult me - is not going to change
the facts of history. But having access to the right books
from reputable historians stands on their own merits.

I don't believe that you have read any of the books mentioned.
And I certainly don't believe they're part of any collection
of yours. Your expressed opinions on this subject prove that.

Whatever happens to German history, we can be sure of one thing:
It's history will live on into infinity. And for that we
can thank the hard working historical recappers who worked
themselves into the ground to keep the flame of history alive
for future genrerations. In other words you can thank people
like Steele and myself, to mention just a few.

You're welcome!

cont'd ...

My apologies for the typos.

Robert Conquest's book should have read:

"Reflections on a ravaged century."

And the
ISBN for Ian Kershaw's paperback on Hitler
is - 9780141035888.

SR started off asserting with his usual unresearched surety that "I have repeatedly said the refugee influx laid fertile soil for the rise of the NAZI party in places where they would not have otherwise enjoyed that popularity."

Now SR has finally understood the monumental error that was and has decided this 'fertile soil' (which is should be remembered exists nowhere except in SR mind) didn't benefit the Nazis at all but some other party which he now pretends are a proxy for the Nazis.

So some progress by SR there toward the actual truth. If I was prepared to write another 40 or 50 posts I'd probably get SR to finally understand the facts which are that these refugees in Berlin had no effect on the Nazi vote and that indeed, in Berlin the Nazi antisemitism was unpopular. But I'm not prepared to undertake the task of dragging him kicking and screaming to the truth.

"You obviously feel alone in this."

Those enamoured with the truth are never alone. But I appreciate that you are desperate to be in the herd.

Foxy,

So now we finally get her to offer some clarification to her original claims that Conquest covered this issue. She thinks its in his book 'Reflections on a ravaged century". Unfortunately for Foxy I'm very familiar with that book. I even praised it in these pages a year or two ago. And unfortunately for Foxy I have to tell her that it doesn't say anything like what she hopes.

Foxy, if you have that book, and that's a big if, read the chapter 'The Nation: Hope and Hysteria". It tells a very different story to what you purported. Indeed it has some discussion how similar the Nazis and the Communists were and how easily members moved from one to the other.

So again we have Foxy claiming special knowledge and special research where none exists.

mhaze,

You really have no understanding of that period.
I could go on listing more and more material for
you to read - but it would be a waste of my time.
Your mind is closed and nothing will penetrate it.
It's not my job to educate you. You're obviously happy
in your ignorance which is fair enough. You obviously
want to stay that way.