Hi Steele,

Many German Jews believed they had nothing to fear from the Nazi's. To them they were loyal Germans, having lived all the life in Germany born in Germany without problems, and many had fought for the Fatherland in WWI. So there was nothing to fear, so they thought.

Dear Paul,

Indeed. And they likely would have taken comfort from the anti-hate speech rules in place at the time.

It is a fascinating cauldron of events but with extraordinarily dark consequences. So many people only take the one perspective and refuse to entertain others namely because they delve into the era to support their own ideological positions.

It deserves better.

Well Hollywood has done pretty well out of the Nazi's as they have continued to make money out of throwing stones at them one hundred years after- in this I guess they are almost as successful as Mohammedism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_the_Devil

Steele Redux said- "So many people only take the one perspective and refuse to entertain others namely because they delve into the era to support their own ideological positions."

Graham Young was the one that "delved into the era" as you put it- in this case. Are you accusing him Steele Redux of being a Nazi? Scandalous.

Perhaps there are valid reasons why the subject was 'delved into'.

I find that Communists and Socialists and Locke Liberals often try to hide their own bigotry by pointing to what they label as bigotry in others- subtle- I'm sure that everyone has their own bias on all sides of politics- an alternative to talking out our differences is violent confrontation.

World War II produced tens of millions of victims.
Some were combatants, some civilian casualties of the war.
Others were victims of genocide planned by the warring
powers.

Both the Nazis and the Communists had committed unheard
of cruelties. Concentration camps - on both sides of
the front - operated at a high pitch prior to and during
the war years. While the USSR policy of mass murder
preceded that of Nazi Germany, most notably with the
artificial Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33, the wholesale
destruction of the Russian peasantry, and later of the
peasantry and intelligentsia in the occupied
territories as well, the Nazis soon matched Soviet
terror with their whosale slaughter of Jews, Gypsies, and
others, in equal numbers, if not proportions of their
populations.

As stated in "The New KGB" :

" There is no dispute about the enormity of Hitler's
holocaust. But it is equally important to be as aware
of the accomplishments of the Soviet secret police,
which brought death to at lease four times as many
Russians, Poles, Jews, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians,
Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Gypsies, and Romanians as
Hitler did in his eleven years as a leader of the
' 1,000-year Reich."

While half of the criminals, the Nazis, have been
pursued all over the world for their crimes, the other
half, the Communist criminals, were allowed to go free,
They were, in effect, given tacit permission to continue
the operation of their concentration camps, to expand
their draconian systems to include psychiatric wards,
thereby raising torture, suppression, and murder to a
science.

The fact that the process persisted was vividly disclosed
to the free world by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn in his
book - "The Gulag Archipelago".

Foxy threw a tantrum..."Anyway, if it makes you feel superior in some way -"

After this I'll leave you unvexed.

The thing is this Foxy. You tried to claim superior knowledge and research by referring to books that you claimed to be familiar with.
I knew those books and knew they didn't in the least support your claims for them and therefore invited you to show how they did so.

Now at that point you could have shown some knowledge of the books and pointed me to some part of it that you thought supported your claims. But you never did that. You haven't once tried to show anything about the Rosebaum book that is even vaguely relevant here.

At least with Conquest you did,evntually, try to salvage some credibility by at least suggesting where I might find him making comments supporting your claims. Except that the book you picked out says the exact opposite, again demonstrating a lack of knowledge about that book.

You then tried to add Kershaw to the list but again couldn't find anything in his books that supported your claims and were reduced to quoting from an article that misquoted Kershaw where you misquoted the article!!

We see this from you a lot Foxy. The false claims of expertise and knowledge which you then try to use to win a debate. We saw it most egregiously in regards to the US Electoral College.

One can only hope that this has been a lesson to you and that the next time you make claims about special knowledge or special research, you're prepared to demonstrate it.

I don't know much about Solzhenitsyn but Jordan Peterson seems to refer to him a fair bit.

I get the impression that he is a sophisticated writer perhaps at times mysterious in the way that sometimes Russian's are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

He's on my reading list.

Jordan Peterson refers to Russian writers a fair bit- from memory Dostoevsky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Dostoevsky