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French Submarines Best for Australia

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Thanks for the link Pete,

And Thanks to ttbn for recommending the article by
Shoebridge. Who says we don't learn from OLO.

Interesting subject.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 26 July 2021 1:15:36 PM
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You just can't stop losing, can you Pete. The article was written on the 23rd July, so you are lagging behind still. It wasn't about submarines, per se, that you have wet dreams about, but military technology in general with the mention of remote controlled under water vessels as opposed to manned submarines. Shoebridge is a professional, often interviewed on TV, whereas you are an overgrown boy better suited to playing with model train sets. You are the last person to be attempting to take the piss. I'll leave you to play with the girls.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 26 July 2021 2:36:52 PM
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8 years ago the RAN, through DMO, couldn't find enough maintainers to rebuild Mk48's...let alone man patrols for the Collins boats out of Stirling. I am of the understanding the situation is only slightly better today. Sadly we've well & truly let the ball go with successive governments since the Grand Larceny aka: The "War On Terror" came to town. Billions if not Trillions of dollars spent, to now go giving the whole lot back to the Taliban. Still, it was a great training exercise for the RAAF & Army, but really we are an island, so the greater urgency now is to protect our sea lanes and supply routes. Precisely why the CCP is seeking to deny those by dealing with Pacific Islands nations. French submarines best for Australia...au contraire ! Post haste a programme of building smaller submarines locally, with several fleet bases constructed in Joseph Bonaparte Gulf, Darwin and possibly another in Brisbane on the eastern seaboard, all supplemented with small high speed catamarans armed with appropriate surface to air/surface to surface missile systems. Oh and don't forget, our oil reserves, going on articles like: "Australia loses another oil refinery, leaving our fuel supply vulnerable to regional crises" See:
Australia's fuel supplies vulnerable if Middle East conflict cuts ...https://www.abc.net.au › news › australia-remains-vulne...
we're pretty well stuffed anyway.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Monday, 26 July 2021 3:40:14 PM
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No worries Foxy

I'm glad to bring http://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australia-should-do-more-than-just-wait-for-the-attack-class-submarines-to-arrive/

to your attention.

Cheers

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 26 July 2021 3:53:56 PM
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AUSTRALIA HAS ONLY FOUR QUALIFIED SUBMARINE COMMANDERS - ONLY ONE AUSTRALIAN BORN

Hi Albie Manton in Darwin

Re your "Post haste a programme of building smaller submarines locally"

A limiting factor is that any manned Australian sub, whether it be large, medium or small must be commanded by a fully qualified commander. These commanders come from the mainly Non-Australian born pool of fully qualified submarine commanders for the RAN.

The problem being Australia has only 4 sub commanders available for sea duty. See http://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft/submarines/ssg specifically the lowest Table - names below "Commanding Officer"

Australia's 4 Submarine Commanding Officers available for sea duty are:

- Commander Michael Power http://www.navy.gov.au/biography/commander-michael-power The ONLY AUSTRALIAN born submarine Commander at sea in AUSTRALIA"s Navy.

- Commander Robin Dainty http://www.navy.gov.au/biography/commander-robin-dainty BRITISH born. After spending most of his career in the UK RN submarine service Australia's SHORTAGE of homegrown submarine commanders able to pass the now Netherlands "Perisher" Course meant Dainty was encouraged to immigrate to Australia in order to transfer to the RAN.

- Commander Timothy Markusson http://www.navy.gov.au/biography/commander-timothy-markusson CANADIAN born. After spending most of his career in the CANADIAN submarine service Australia's SHORTAGE of homegrown submarine commanders able to pass the "Perisher" Course meant Markusson was encouraged to immigrate to Australia in order to transfer to the RAN.

- Commander Christopher Ellis https://www.navy.gov.au/biography/commander-christopher-ellis UK BORN, joined CANADIAN Navy. After spending half of his career in the Canadian Navy and RAN he finally transfeered to the RAN 2 years ago.

Australia's SHORTAGE of homegrown submarine commanders able to pass the now Netherlands "Perisher" Course means most of Australia's submarine commander only transfer to Australian subs when they are already foreign born and foreign trained.
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Port of Darwin suffers from being to shallow and tidal for sub basing. Also Chinese ownership of Port of Darwin makes any operation of Australian submarines a SECURITY RISK.
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 26 July 2021 4:50:44 PM
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CORRECTION FOR TYPOS

AUSTRALIA HAS ONLY 4 QUALIFIED SUBMARINE COMMANDERS - ONLY 1 AUSTRALIAN BORN

Hi Albie

Re your "Post haste a programme of building smaller submarines locally"

A limiting factor is that any manned Australian sub, whether it be large, medium or small, must be commanded by a fully qualified commander. These commanders come from the mainly Non-Australian born pool of fully qualified submarine commanders for the RAN.

The problem being Australia has only 4 sub commanders available for sea duty. See http://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft/submarines/ssg specifically the lowest Table - names below "Commanding Officer"

Australia's 4 Submarine Commanding Officers available for sea duty are:

- Commander Michael Power http://www.navy.gov.au/biography/commander-michael-power The ONLY AUSTRALIAN born submarine Commander at sea in AUSTRALIA"s Navy.

- Commander Robin Dainty http://www.navy.gov.au/biography/commander-robin-dainty BRITISH born. After spending most of his career in the UK RN submarine service Australia's SHORTAGE of homegrown submarine commanders able to pass the now Netherlands "Perisher" Course meant Dainty was encouraged to immigrate to Australia in order to transfer to the RAN.

- Commander Timothy Markusson http://www.navy.gov.au/biography/commander-timothy-markusson CANADIAN born. After spending most of his career in the CANADIAN submarine service Australia's SHORTAGE of homegrown submarine commanders able to pass the "Perisher" Course meant Markusson was encouraged to immigrate to Australia in order to transfer to the RAN.

- Commander Christopher Ellis http://www.navy.gov.au/biography/commander-christopher-ellis UK BORN, joined CANADIAN Navy. After spending half of his career in the Canadian Navy and RAN he finally transferred to the RAN 2 years ago.

Australia's SHORTAGE of homegrown submarine commanders able to pass the now Netherlands "Perisher" Course means most of Australia's submarine commanders are foreign born and foreign trained.
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PORT OF DARWIN AND SUBS

Re: Darwin as a submarine base. Darwin Port suffers from being too shallow and tidal for safe, secure and effective submarine basing.

Also CHINESE ownership of Darwin's Port makes any operation of Australian submarines from there a SECURITY RISK, for Australia.

However China's South China Sea honewd skill at dredging island naval basese holds potential for CHINESE naval operations in Darwin.

CHINESE submarine operations from Darwin may be under review, in Naval HQ, Beijing.
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 26 July 2021 5:12:05 PM
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