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Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 24 July 2021 10:43:25 AM
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Hi Pete,
The existing (more than 2 decades old) trouble-plagued Collins subs Australia discussed replacing nearly a decade ago. And the Collins subs were due to be retired in the next few years. In 2016 Australia selected the Naval Group to build a new submarine fleet to replace its Collins subs and significantly expand its military strategic and trade interests in the Asia-Pacific. It was considered one of the most lucrative defence deals. However now it seems that Canberra requires that the majority of the manufacturing and components be sourced locally causing delays and problems. With the result being that our Defence Minister Peter Dutton has said he will order a refit of the existing Collins class subs. The first of Australia's six Collins class subs will reach their end of life span in 2026. So what's going on in Canberra? Wouldn't it be a better move and much cheaper in the long-term to simply stick with the French sub order - then play around with these old Collins class subs? I say stick with new sub fleet to replace the more than 2 decades old Collins subs and expand our military strategic interests. and trade in the Asia Pacific. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 24 July 2021 5:07:43 PM
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Hi Foxy
What is termed the Life of Type Extension (LOTE) modernisation plan for the Collins has been the Government's plan all along since 2017. Dutton might be implying LOTE is his idea but its 4 years old. LOTEs are standard in Navy ships and submarines after around 17 years of service. LOTEs are much more economically and politically justifiable and sensible than building new "Interim" subs or the Nuclear Subs (that coat Australia $10 Billion each and couldn't be built here). With LOTEs being done in the mid-late 2020s at least 3 Collins will last till 2042 at the same time as 4 Attack class subs enter service. So Australia will always have the 6 subs minimum we need rising to 12 subs around 2050. The main weakness of the Collins has always been the gone-out-of-business-Swedish-Company Hedemora Diesel Engines. The Hedemora diesels are faulty, dangerous, can only be run to 80% maximum power and need to be removed in Adelaide from each Collins to be serviced. Hedemora Diesel servicing costs an average of $100 million per Collins per year = all up $600 million per year just servicing the diesels of the Collins class. So replacing the Collins Hedemora diesels with the world's best and most common diesels (designed in Germany by a company called MTU) should be the main and very much necessary LOTE improvement for the Collins. The Collins LOTEs have always been planned in conjunction with the introduction of the Attack class subs. Regards Pete http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/ Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 24 July 2021 8:35:05 PM
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Good Morning Pete,
Thank You for explaining things to me. It now all makes sense as to what Australia is trying to do. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 25 July 2021 9:18:28 AM
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Pete,
You've told us all about it. Is defence Minister Dutton au fait with your brilliant assessment of the subject. Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 25 July 2021 9:54:53 AM
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Morning Foxy
Thanks. And if China increases as a threat at the rate it has in the last 3 years all these Collins-LOTE and Attack-class timings should speed up. Cheers Pete http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/ Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 25 July 2021 12:33:19 PM
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