shonkyminister,

Gladys edict is you can only go out for essential shopping in Sydney, like food, or a new lamp shade from her big business mates at Ikea! What a joke, where was the medical advice there?

Dear mhaze,

Ah you have cottoned on haven't you.

Seriously mate, this has been nothing less than a scream.

You have with great determination tried to ignore any examples from overseas to show how ludicrous your RISK figures were for under 50s.

Obviously running flu statistics up the flag pole, no matter how flippantly, was going to get you going. So despite these coming from another country you have written well over a thousand words addressing them.

But the central point was to do exactly what you had done. You took a figure derived from U50 deaths of those who had contracted the disease in Australia, then applied it as a risk figure for the whole population of U50s of the country.

I gave repeated examples of why that was idiotic but you dismissed the lot. However when I illustrated with an example of what you had done you went into high dudgeon.

Very amusing.

By the way your emphasis in my statement is also ludicrous.

"One thing is certain though, even working off the 5 deaths figure in 30,000 Australia CASES it is many times worst than the ordinary flu. It translates to 17 per 100,000 while the flu DEATHS of under 50s in the US sits at 3.5 per 100,000."

Of course the correct emphasis would have been “ the 5 DEATHS figure in 30,000 Australia CASES” and you know it.

You have no shame do you SR. Now you assert that your moronosity was all feigned. As I said, you'd finally convince yourself that you hadn't made infant school level errors. I'd really like to know if you really believe that or if its just something you put out to others to try to hide your embarrassment. A conundrum for the ages.

Dear mhaze,

Oh I readily admitted I was flippant in my use of the figures. I certainly didn't give them much due diligence at all and was lazy and incorrect in my treatment of them. I didn't even bother to determine if they were case or population figures as the source is paywalled. That wasn't the point.

I was using them to illustrate your abuse of the risk figures and they have served that purpose well.

I am possibly the most prolific employer of facts, figures and links (besides Armchair Critic maybe) on the forum at the moment. You obviously spend a lot of time going through them with a fine tooth comb. I do feel a bit chuffed at the attention.

The risk of a Covid outbreak to U50s in this country is not zero as you assert, it is significant, and for you to downplay by ignoring real world figures as you have it is really an affront.

SR wrote:Oh I readily admitted I was flippant in my use of the figures"

Not flippant. Utterly reckless. You made two major mistakes which all the waffle in the world won't obliterate:

1. You tried to calculate the flu death risk of the US for U50s and got it laughingly wrong.

2. You tried to compare two utterly incomparable figures. The first was the proportion of deaths to CASES in Australia. The second was the flu death rate for the entire U50 population. This resulted in an error that was several orders of magnitude wrong.

That you don't comprehend either of these errors is rather sad.

"The risk of a Covid outbreak to U50s in this country is not zero as you assert,"

Well I never asserted an such thing, but if fabrication of my views helps you to salve a bruised ego....

"I am possibly the most prolific employer of facts, figures and links "

If that's what you need to tell yourself to salve a bruised ego....

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Just a few other links to confuse the innumerate...

"Children face just a one in 500,000 risk of dying from Covid"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9769283/Children-face-one-500-000-risk-dying-Covid-amid-row-kids-vaccinated.html

From the same article..."But the scientists - from three top British universities - said this risk is no higher then the risk from flu."

"A Review of COVID-19 Deaths in Two California Counties Drops the Total by Nearly 25%"
http://pjmedia.com/uncategorized/stacey-lennox/2021/07/05/a-review-of-covid-19-deaths-in-two-california-counties-drops-the-total-by-nearly-25-n1459543

"Study Finds 89% of Patients Who Died From COVID-19 Had a Do-Not-Resuscitate Order"
http://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/11/30/study-finds-89-of-patients-who-died-from-covid-19-had-a-do-not-resuscitate-order-n1181002

Dear mhaze,

Aww come on mate, this is just getting better and better and I would hate to have it end now.

Take this little doozy from you. It is absolutely bonkers you would even write it but hey.

“Well you might think that but then you really don't understand the statistics, do you? As I showed you (although clearly I lost you somewhere along the road) the death rate in Australia for under50s is .03/100000. Since there are about 5 million under50s in NSW that means you'd expect around 2 such deaths in NSW.”

But only if we kept the annual Covid case numbers to 30,000 Australia wide, something that has only been possible through lockdowns. Double it and you double the death rate.

You really can't make it say what you want it to say, that Covid has no risk for the U50s. It patently does.

So we can either keep the lockdowns to try and vaccinate as many people as possible or we let it run. To be saying the risk to the U50s of a vaccine outweighs their risk from Covid is just inane.

And I did love this link from you.

Quote

"Study Finds 89% of Patients Who Died From COVID-19 Had a Do-Not-Resuscitate Order"
http://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/11/30/study-finds-89-of-patients-who-died-from-covid-19-had-a-do-not-resuscitate-order-n1181002

Unquote.

The study found that 91% of those who died in hospital without Covid had a DNR, so what are you trying to tell us?

But the best part was the Editor's Note which reads: “Join PJ Media VIP so we can keep telling the truth about President Trump's victories in combating COVID-19 and prevent Biden stealing the credit.”

My goodness, this in a country which held the record for the number of its citizens who had perished from the virus.

What unbiased pages you visit in your journeys.