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She said the quiet bit out loud

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Well, as usual the usual suspects have missed the point.

Let's see if I can make it more understandable for them.

The CMO of Queensland was saying what we all now to be true but which the powers-that-be have been trying very hard to ignore. That being that people under 50 are effectively safe from the virus. Yes they might get it but its not gunna kill 'em. Indeed, what she was saying was that a drug which could cause deadly blood clots in maybe 1 in 10 million cases is significantly more dangerous than the virus for those under 50.

Now, those of us who've followed the data have known this for a long time. But governments the world over, with a few exceptions, have assiduously ignored it and have forced those who are effectively safe from the disease to act as though they are in clear and present danger.

Governments talked themselves into a lockdown corner and universal vaccines are the only way they can get out of that corner other than just owning up that it was largely for nothing. They are prepared to force the under-50 population to take the risks of the jab rather than admit the error.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 5 July 2021 8:51:26 AM
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Dear mhaze,

Oh more rubbish from you.

“That being that people under 50 are effectively safe from the virus. Yes they might get it but its not gunna kill 'em.”

Tell that to the over 700 under 50s who lost their lives due to Covid in the UK in January of this year.
http://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-reported-sars-cov-2-deaths-in-england/covid-19-confirmed-deaths-in-england-report

That was with a million recorded cases for that month so about a 1 in 1500 chance of dying from the disease.

So no she wasn't “saying was that a drug which could cause deadly blood clots in maybe 1 in 10 million cases is significantly more dangerous than the virus for those under 50”

She was essentially saying was given our situation in Australia where lockdowns have allowed a very low fatality rate through the course of the disease in this country and thus thankfully a very low mortality rate in unders 50s, why give them AZ when we have brought enough time to crank up the availability to import and distribute less problematic vaccines to that cohort.

The math is pretty simple even for people as challenged as yourself.

Out of the over 24 million doses of AZ injected thus far in the UK there have been 68 deaths linked to it. This is not insignificant at all, but compared to the potential toll of the virus (24 times 700 is 16,800 deaths), it pales in comparison.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 5 July 2021 10:08:36 AM
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Struth SR, this is what she said..."I don’t want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got covid, probably wouldn’t die."

Repeat "if they got covid, probably wouldn’t die."

Squirm as much as you want but she's saying what the data is saying. This virus doesn't affect healthy people under 50.

You might want the truth to be different but the data doesn't care what you want.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 5 July 2021 12:15:17 PM
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For crying out loud, under 50 doesn't conflate to 18 year olds.

I have placed data in front of you to show the risk from Covid is many times that of the risk from the vaccine in the under 50 group as a cohort.

That you choose to ignore them to keep bleating out the discredited line you have decided to defend come what may doesn't change that fact.

The CMO expressly mentioned the risk of blood clotting for the 18 year old and that specific example the risk of injecting the cheapest, second least effective vaccine courtesy of Scott Morrison isn't worth it and they should be advised to wait until better one is available.

But for you to keep banging on about Covid not killing under 50s when it patently does, in vastly more significant number compared to vaccine reactions, is puerile.

Get over it.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 5 July 2021 12:53:26 PM
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SR,

Just because she mentioned 18 yr olds as an example doesn't preclude other age groups that are equally safe.

What is it with you and your batty notions? Oh she said 18 yr olds so she doesn't include 17 yr olds or 19 yr olds?

I've shown you that only 5 people have died from the virus in Australia and all had comorbities. (on average twice that number die from falling of ladders each year). To ignore this you run off to data from the other side of the world. And that makes sense to you?

Oh I forgot.... making sense doesn't matter does it?

But again the point has passed you by. The young are safe from this virus and the CMO said that when she's supposed to stay schtum. The young and healthy are being conned into taking a vaccine against a virus that is not a danger for them. Don't believe me...believe the CMO. Or do the SR thing and just make up your own data.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 5 July 2021 1:42:21 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Lol.

Well that got a laugh.

So official data from the UK Health Ministry is made up data now?

So pray tell Dr mhaze, what do you have to say to the parents and other loved ones of the over 700 people under 50 who lost their lives to Covid in January in the UK? That they are a false statistic?

And you are quoting Australian number which are the direct result of the lockdowns you so widely condemn. Well cognitive dissidence is concerning in most people but in your case the levels are too extraordinary to take much offense at all.

You silly, silly whacker.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 5 July 2021 2:15:05 PM
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