Foxy,

Come on. Even you cannot be that naive.

Ttbn

Yes, and they know that the lies they tell don't have to be true. They just have to persuade the brainwashed gullible moron part of the population. Even if that's only 51 percent, they think flagrant lying is justified, which is what's happening now. These bleating sheep refuse to think for themselves.

None of the assumptions of policy have been debated in an orderly way in which the arguments for and against every tenet of covid policy has been subjetece to dispassionate analysis, and evidence and reason for and against.

Instead what we have is the mere assumption of power by the state, backed up by double-standards, self-contradiction, legal corruption, censoring and coercion at every turn.

While you may have taken it voluntarily, the actions of the state have comprehensively breached the requirement of informed consent, and accountability, many times over.

All
"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been fooled."
Mart Twain

The approach to the knowledge problem that Foxy, Paul1405, and all the other totalitarian fasicsts, take, is simplicity itself:

1. "It must be so, because the government tells me so."
2. If not, see step 1.

And that's it. Round and round they go, endlessly assuming that the government simplly knows everything, and any question is ridiculous, and this confers on them a right to unlimited arbtirary power and arrogance, even though kings and the officers of state have been put to death for what these useful idiots are promoting.

Foxy

If you want me to swallow down your unidentified, and unarticulated assumption that the government is all-caring, all-knowing, and all-efficient, and that a fact and value are whatever the government says they are, the answer is: "no", because that assumption has no basis in reality or reason.

The fact that it's a medical problem, doesn't mean it's not a political problem, and does not dispose of all issues of medical fact, law or the constitution. You're talking nonsense.

History exists. You need to understand that this has consequences. We're not just floating in a disconnected bubble.

I've already told you that it is in breach of the Nuremberg principles on medical experimentation, requriging informed consent - the foundation of the pharmaceutical industry - and here you just want to garble-yarp away as if you've never heard it. Wake up!

For one small example, any governnent officer has a duty to consider whether to invade any common law right. This means, if they fail to consider both sides of the question, in writing, one has an action administrative order, (a stop order, a 'doi it' order, or a 'lemme decide that' order by a court or tribunal).

These orders don't pay money damages compensation. But with high numbers of deaths and injuries, there will be a huge common interest in lawsuits against the state, including personal injury, wrongful death, negligence, failure to perform a statutory duty as required, as well a criminal and constitutional actions.

To get money damages, you have to have a case in tort, i.e. a civil wrong, for example negligence, nuisance, trespass, and other torts. In a sub-set of these, a group action would lie for money compensation against executive officers.

The politicians can waive liability on behalf of pharma, but they cannot waive it on behalf of the executive arm of government, which remains liable in administrative law, tort law, contract law, criminal law and constitutional law.

See? It's not decided by Foxy, an anonymous self-opinionated nobody on the internet, brain-farting her personal opinion that it's "medical, not political".

Anyway, what about the Nuremberg trials of the Nazi doctors, which you defend?

Were they "medical not political"? You don't even understand what you're talking about.

You need to *think*.

For all those who think vaccination is of no value need to take one look at both India and Brazil in their present crises, being two countries unsuccessful as yet with their vaccination programs. Compare India and Brazil with the United States and UK and the invidious position both were in pre vaccination roll out and look at the success they now enjoy due to the vaccines.

Hark at the inconsistency and opportunism of the man who is fast becoming our worst PM ever:

1 May 2020:

"I think it's important we all hold our nerve. We need to restart the economy. You can't stay under the doona forever."

9 May 2021:

"I don’t see an appetite for (reopening international borders) at the moment…we sit here as an island that’s living like few countries in the world are at the moment. We have to be careful not to exchange that way of life for what everyone else has."000
Terry Barnes reckons Australia is like 'Brigadoon', which some of you might remember as a musical, then a film.

ttbn and Cumberland,

I don't know what else the PM and our government can
do under the circumstances that they are faced with.
They have to listen to medical advice and act appropriately.
Our country - all things considered - has done remarkably well
compared to other countries around the world during this
pandemic. We are lucky that we're living here and not elsewhere.