mhaze,

Methinks you protest too much.

Check your posts on page 5!

" So much of what passes as fact covering the
Israel-Arab war is propaganda."

( I then questioned that - Propaganda?_

And then you referred to my Haaretz artcle as
"Foxy's propaganda piece."

Are you pants on fire?

They should be!

SR,

You are the liar and embellisher and I have caught you out just recently. You unprincipled antisemitic twat.

Secondly, the Reddit page to which you linked not only was flagged as antisemitic, was openly tied to Palestinian causes and to top it was factually incorrect as to claim that it was that incident that motivated the Arabs to attack Israel. If you are going to post antisemitic propaganda, at least try to post something that is not so blatantly manipulated.

I'm not arguing that it wasn't a war crime. That it occurred after a series of massacres of Jews by Arabs is the detail that you deliberately omit which highlights your antisemitism.

When you finally admit that the Palestinians are significantly responsible for what is happening to them then your posts may take on a semblance of rationality.

SR writes: "Guess which one I'm choosing to believe."

SR believes whoever tells him what he wants to hear. Its the way he always operates - reach the conclusion and the search for (and believe) anything that supports the conclusion.

Part of the problem is that SR doesn't really look into the history of an issue - just his immediate concerns. Its as though he looks at WW2 from 1944 and concludes its was all about Germany being attacked by avarice neighbours. Then he finds a Goebbels speech to support his claim.

There are any number of sources which explain the so-called massacre as being just part of the war eg... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-capture-of-deir-yassin#15

"My unit stormed and passed the first row of houses. I was among the first to enter the village. There were a few other guys with me, each encouraging the other to advance. At the top of the street I saw a man in khaki clothing running ahead. I thought he was one of ours. I ran after him and told him, "advance to that house." Suddenly he turned around, aimed his rifle and shot. He was an Iraqi soldier. I was hit in the foot."

NB: this is one example of a vast literature on the issue.

SR's lack of background understanding is also shown on the Palestinian Passport he thought proved that the people thought of themselves as Palestinian.
The people who lived in that region were effectively stateless following the fall of the Ottoman empire. The passport was issued to the people in the region - Arabs, Jews, Egyptians, Syrians, ex-pat Europeans, Turkish holdovers. Note:it was a British passport. Think of it like this...there was also a British Hong Kong passport but the people didn't think of themselves as Hong Kongians.

To understand the whole issue you really need to go back to around 1870 when the Ottomans started encouraging Jewsih immigration, having noticed that the Jewish settlers were much more productive than the then residents. But for SR that's a bridge too far.

Foxy writes: "Are you[r] pants on fire?"

What's this? Are we back in 3rd grade?

Foxy, you linked to a article and then immediate after asked "Propaganda?" I took that to mean you recognised that it might be embellished. I was surprised and impressed at your unusual display of insight.

Seems I was mistaken and over-estimated your understanding of nuance.

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Meanwhile, in the real world there is currently a furore over people doctoring the photos of victims of the Cambodian killing fields. Since the perpetrators of that holocaust were communists, it tends to get ignored and suppressed.

Just as we see here with people like Foxy and SR, they are very anxious to talk about the Israel conflict as though it is a holocaust but also very anxious to ignore actual genocide perpetrated by those regimes they actually admire eg Xinjiang.

mhaze,

Shame on you!

Shadowminister,

Mate don't flatter yourself, you have never once caught me out.

You claim the sub-reddit page has been flagged as anti-semitic. By whom? You? Rubbish.

Your main criticism is that it is tied to Palestinian causes. Were you being thicker than usual when you wrote that? Of course it would be.

I also subscribe to the Judaism subreddit and it is certainly tied to Israeli causes. What of it?

How is the invasion and colonisation of millions of European Jews spouting a 2,000 year old claim to their land the Palestinian's fault?

Grow up.

Dear mhaze,

Did you really just post a link to the Jewish Virtual Library page? Is this your unbiased source? The Haareta link Foxy and I posted is to a Jewish newspaper and it discusses the documentary made of the massacre but a Jewish director. She was able to retrieve documents and gather eyewitness account which make your link laughable. There you will find accounts of looting, of summary executions, of tying a young man to a tree and setting him alight and piles of bodies being burnt to hid the evidence. Smacks of war crimes to me but because they are Israeli they get a free pass from one of the more unprincipled people on this forum.

But at least you are now providing some sort of links rather than directly contradicting a lieutenant if the Israeli forces with your vacuous personal opinion. We are progressing it seems.

Finally this gem from you:

“Think of it like this...there was also a British Hong Kong passport but the people didn't think of themselves as Hong Kongians.”

Lol. Perhaps you need to talk to a few.