Shadowminister,

My anti-semiticism well established? Bulldust. It is just one of the refuges you go to whenever you find yourself completely exposed as an utter liar and embellisher. As I'm the one who pulls your pants down the most often I cop the slur more than some but you have bandied it around with your usual gay abandon to others on this forum. It is venal, pathetic and oh so typical of you.

My link was to reddit you tosser. It was actually created by a Jewish person.

Dear mhaze,

You used the Holocaust to segue into the Uygers. Foxy used it to do the same with the Palestinians. I replied to her with a quote, not my own words, which you have taken exception to as you typically do.

From Haaretz

Quote

Another harsh account was provided by Prof. Mordechai Gichon, a lieutenant colonel in the Israel Defense Forces reserves, who was a Haganah intelligence officer sent to Deir Yassin when the battle ended. “To me it looked a bit like a pogrom,” said Gichon, who died about a year ago. “If you’re occupying an army position – it’s not a pogrom, even if a hundred people are killed. But if you are coming into a civilian locale and dead people are scattered around in it – then it looks like a pogrom. When the Cossacks burst into Jewish neighborhoods, then that should have looked something like this.”

According to Gichon, “There was a feeling of considerable slaughter and it was hard for me to explain it to myself as having been done in self-defense. My impression was more of a massacre than anything else. If it is a matter of killing innocent civilians, then it can be called a massacre.”

Cont.

Cont.

Yair Tsaban, a former Meretz MK and government minister, related in his interview with Shoshani that after the massacre, in which he did not participate, he was sent with fellow members of the Youth Brigades to bury the corpses of the dead. “The rationale was that the Red Cross was liable to show up at any moment and it was necessary to blur the traces [of the killings] because publication of pictures and testimonies about what had happened in the village would be very damaging to the image of our War of Independence,” he said.

“I saw a fair number of corpses,” he added. “I don’t remember encountering the corpse of a fighting man. Not at all. I remember mostly women and old men.” Tsaban testified that he saw inhabitants shot in the back and dismissed the claims of some of participants in the action that the locals had been hit in exchanges of fire. “An old man and a woman, sitting in the corner of a room with their faces to the wall, and they are shot in the back,” he recalled. “That cannot have been in the heat of battle. No way.”

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http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/MAGAZINE-testimonies-from-the-censored-massacre-at-deir-yassin-1.5494094

Why do you feel the need to downplay this massacre?

Dear Steele,

mhaze called my link from Haaretz "a propaganda piece."
He refers to the "so called Palestinian," and says that
their suffering is "self-inflicted."

And he tells me that I am wrong?

Being wrong is acceptable, but staying wrong is
totally unacceptable

SR

"I replied to her with a quote, not my own words, which you have taken exception to as you typically do."

Oh, you're using that defence again. Oh I was just approvingly quoting someone...its not my fault they were lying.

Your quote claimed that "[t]here were documented cases of rape, ".
I pointed out that the claim was made up and indeed there were no documented cases of rape. That was just an example of how the entire claim was rubbish. But despite all the twisting and turning from Foxy and SR, neither have found any documented cases of rape - and you can bet they both tried hard to do so.

"Why do you feel the need to downplay this massacre?"

It wasn't a massacre. It was a battle in a war where the very existence of the Jews in the Israel was threatened. The village was targeted because the Jews were trying to open up supply routes through to Jerusalem where several thousand Jews were being starved into surrender. It was war. The Jews warned the villagers to leave and many did. Those that remained resisted the occupation of the village and fought back.Women were targeted because they were re-supplying fighters or because some of the fighters were disguising themselves as women.

Did I mention it was war?

Foxy wrote: "mhaze called my link from Haaretz "a propaganda piece."

Well no, you wondered if it was propaganda and I concurred.

Foxy wrote:"He refers to the "so called Palestinian,"

That's because its a made up term or descriptor. Until it became politically expedient, there was no such thing as a Palestinian. The people who now want to be called Palestinian, prior to 1940 or so, thought of and called themselves Arab Syrians or just Arabs. If you read text or history of the region written before 1940 you struggle to find the term Palestinian used at all.

Foxy wrote: "[Mhaze thinks] their suffering is "self-inflicted."

That's because it is. Over the past 70 years, the so-called Palestinian leadership have regularly rejected efforts and offers for peace which would have ended the people's suffering. People like Arafat grew fabulously wealthy while refusing to allow his people to gain peace.

Foxy wrote: "And he tells me that I am wrong?"

Not true. I haven't used the word 'wrong' in this thread. I did however, in a different thread, say you were "wrong. Just plain wrong.". But that's only because you were...ahem....wrong.

So a a lieutenant colonel in the Israel Defense Forces reserves, who was a Haganah intelligence officer sent to Deir Yassin when the battle ended calls it a massacre but our dear little mhaze running rightwing tropes from his safe little keyboard says it wasn't.

Guess which one I'm choosing to believe.

And more rubbish from him. “The people who now want to be called Palestinian, prior to 1940 or so, thought of and called themselves Arab Syrians or just Arabs. “

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/b6spsi/palestinian_passport_1935/