Shadowminister,

Two quotes that sum up the situation:

The first is from the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu and his approach to Palestinians:

"Beat them up, not once but repeatedly,
Beat them up so it hurts so badly,
until it's unbearable!"

The second quote is from author Noam Chomsky:

"Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval
vessels to bomb densely crowded refugee camps,
schools, apartment blocks, mosques and slums to
attack a population that has no air-force, no navy,
no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized
armour, no command in control, no army, and calls it
war. It's not war, its murder!"

Dear Yuyutsu,

You say: “Israel will do whatever it takes to win its war of survival.”

Well yes, all that is being acknowledged here is that deception, embellishment, gas-lighting and outright lying is included within that strategy by so many of its supporters.

You have employed some of them here and been called out on it.

As to your facts they could just as easily be written as such:

1. Palestinians will do whatever it takes to win its war of survival. Yes, even if innocent others are accidentally killed, whatever it takes, no hold-backs.
2. Palestinians does not harm others otherwise, be it for fun or whatever.

What is the difference?

This is from a book Warrior at Suez.

At that point the Israeli gunners aimed their heavy mortars on the civilians in the centre of the crowded town of Gaza, turning it into a slaughterhouse. “the investigation team counter seventy-nine impacts of 120mm mortar shells, all at a distance of more than one kilometer from the nearest Egyptian military position,” noted the U.N. Observers' report. Shelling was centered on the main street of the town. The Israel allegation according to which the Egyptians had ,fortified emplacement within the confines within the city of Gaza' and 'the heavy mortar fire from these emplacement was directed at Israel settlements' was without any foundation in fact.

“The bombardment of Gaza started at 4:15 pm and resulted in the deaths of sixty-two Arabs, including 25 women and children, and 107 wounded, forty-six of them women and children.”

All this without a single Israeli death.

So how is knowingly targeting a market place with so many mortar shells any different to planting a car bomb? Both are acts of terrorism in my book.

Dear mhaze,

Nick off mate you have become boring

Dear SteeleRedux,

What is the difference?

1. The "Palestinians" are not in a war of survival. Nobody would ever stop them from living peacefully on their land had this been what they wanted. Had they not attacked first in 1948, they could have had their state over the majority of Israel (according to the map as decided by the United-Nations), leaving Israel tiny and unviable, or alternately been integrated into Israel and controlled it democratically from within.
2. Even if they were fighting for survival, let us suppose, then the violent steps they took only achieved the opposite and lead them away from survival. They only get further beaten whereas by peaceful diplomatic means they could instead accept, not once, Israel's offer of independence on 97% of their land, then of course they could and should have used their new position to continue to improve and pursue the remaining 3% (fair enough, that would be deceptive, so what?). If we are to believe that they do what they do in attempting to survive, then we can only conclude that their intelligence is totally obscured... so much that they are not even capable of deceit, let alone evaluate their strengths and weaknesses realistically.

Well there goes the difference between intelligent, effective successful terrorists, who when finding themselves in a desperately inferior military position make good use of deceit, compared with foolish, clumsy failed ones who despite their military advantage always shoot themselves in the foot.

Deception was also used extensively by the Partisans who fought the Nazis from the woods. Would you condemn them too?

Sadly, the useless and violent "Palestinian" policies only brought out the ugly violent tendencies in Israel, supporting its continued occupation and the rise of Netanyahu.

"Surely you need guidance to wage war, and victory is won through many advisers." [Proverbs 24:6]

" It would be my greatest sadness to see Zionists
do to Palestinian Arabs much of what the Nazis
did to Jews."
( Albert Einstein)).

"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete
without the freedom of the Palestinians."
( Nelson Mandela).

" Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same way
that England belongs to the English or France to
the French."
(Mahatma Gandhi).

"Nick off mate you have become boring"

Translation for those who don't speak SRese....Mhaze, please stop point out my errors.

Meanwhile for all those trying oh so hard to not see anything that might show China in a bad light....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/inside-china-s-media-war-on-xinjiang/100068394