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Good Enough for the BBC, Good Enough for the ABC

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At the BBC, employees will now be told not to "express a personal opinion on matters of public policy, politics or controversial subjects".

This announcement follows new director general Tim Davie's pledge last month to impose new social media rules. BBC staff will also be required to disclose their earnings outside of the corporation on a public database.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 10:25:55 PM
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About time !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 25 March 2021 9:35:54 AM
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Great idea although the ABC will be reduced to silence through most of its programs though.
It will be good to expose when someone espouses for a cause they have shares in too.
Posted by JBowyer, Thursday, 25 March 2021 11:31:57 AM
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Hi all.

Please note, Tim Davie's (Director-General BBC's) pro-Government bias policy is almost 5 months old - reported 29 October 2020, at http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54723282 .

Since then the BBC has increasingly become a CONSERVATIVE Party mouthpiece due to Tim Davie's career and political bias.

Tim Davie was Deputy Chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham CONSERVATIVE Party in the 1990s.

Tim Davie was awarded a CBE (second to Knighthood) on the recommendation of the CONSERVATIVE Government to the Queen in 2018. This CBE was for Tim Davie's "services to international trade" understood to mean for Tim Davie making himself privately wealthy.

Meanwhile the new Chairman of the BBC, Richard Sharp, has donated over £400,000 to the CONSERVATIVE Party since 2001.

Major BBC journalists/editors are increasingly being criticized for "client journalism" a term resulting from BBC-ruling Conservative Party closeness.

This has led to BBC bias in favour of the CONSERVATIVE Party, as well as uncritically repeating stories from CONSERVATIVE Party/Government sources purporting to be "news".
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 25 March 2021 2:18:13 PM
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Well, good. BBC has an conservative boss for a change, unlike the ABC.

However, the "CONSERVATIVE PARTY" as emphasised by Wrong-Thread Pete isn't very conservative anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, gradually moving to the left since Cameron, and now as left as they come with Johnson.

"This has led to BBC bias in favour of the CONSERVATIVE Party, as well as uncritically repeating stories from CONSERVATIVE Party/Government sources purporting to be "news", claims plantarwart without a shred of the evidence he is always talking about. But again, so what! There's no bias when the left is in charge, but it's there when the right takes over. What appalling hypocrisy.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 25 March 2021 4:26:17 PM
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I've had ABC Radio on for the past 3 weeks & I'm amazed how few Anglo-men are actually hosting shows. It's mainly Australian reared females interviewing the odd normal men/woman & plenty gay males & academic females..
Posted by individual, Friday, 26 March 2021 9:25:33 AM
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individual,

Yes. Most with little-girl voices that are hard to understand. Being extreme left-wing and not very bright is the main criteria for either sex to gain employment at the ABC. But, the corporation is top heavy with females, which fits in with their discriminatory policies.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 26 March 2021 9:34:47 AM
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Oh tt

U rhyme with peewee.

Here are some of the crack BBC announcers

strutting their stuff http://youtu.be/h2QZprRgxDc?t=52s

Enjoy it tt you peewee.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 26 March 2021 9:49:11 AM
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Dear JBowyer,

So you are happy that a government organisation can dictate what its employees can say on social media? Well I thought you lot were all about free speech and less government regulation? Didn't you lot defend Folau's right to speak out on his social media? Or are you happy to silence only some of the voices?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 26 March 2021 10:54:36 AM
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Other public servants are banned from airing their personal opinions publicly; same should apply to public servants working for the ABC. They should stick to their claim of being the 'most trusted source' of news. That's their job: to report, not to opine and lecture.

They certainly should not be allowed to undermine societal values and lead their weak-minded audiences astray.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 26 March 2021 11:16:10 AM
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I found some of the worst offenders of pushing personal opinion rather than checking on fact are Leigh Sales & Patricia Karvelas !
Posted by individual, Friday, 26 March 2021 11:38:14 AM
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You left out Andrew Bolt, Peta Credlin, Miranda Devine,
the chaps on Sky News, just to mention a few more.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 March 2021 4:32:43 PM
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But hey, Sky News is more entertainment rather than
news. There you will find your climate change
deniers, covid deniers, Trump supporters, the anti ABC and
SBS mob, and the like.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 March 2021 4:43:29 PM
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Foxy we don't pay their salaries either, so they are entitled to say what they please.

With the ridiculous money we pay B & C graders at the ABC we should be able to dictate which side of the bed they sleep on.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 26 March 2021 4:58:15 PM
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You need to be very thick to compare the taxpayer-funded ABC with SkyNews, which has to sink or swim on its own merits. No free billion dollar handouts for them every year.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 26 March 2021 6:04:17 PM
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There's plenty on the web about the ABC's obligations,
and the difference between opinion, analysis, and
what it is required to do as a public broadcaster.
I suggest a read to clarify a few things.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 March 2021 6:09:24 PM
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The problem with the "obligations", which are well known and often talked about, is that they are continually breached. Whereas the new head of the BBC clearly intends to make his employees toe the line and remain neutral, as is apt for a publicly funded organisation, successive heads of the ABC have never done this; nor has any Australian government insisted that the corporation adheres to its charter: particularly the current one, whose leader seems intent on winning ABC approval, knowing that just not being Malcolm Turnbull or Bill Shorten might not get him over the line next time.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 26 March 2021 10:47:37 PM
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.... what it is required to do as a public broadcaster.
Foxy,
So, when do you reckon they might start doing that ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 26 March 2021 11:17:56 PM
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Good Morning Individual,

I agree that the ABC must stick to the ideal of
objectivity and many Australians believe that they
do. There's a small minority however that is vocal
against the ABC, passionate and probably beyond appeasing.
So no matter what
anyone says - they will not be convinced.
However as Jonathan Holmes
wrote back in 2019 -

"If you work for the ABC you must follow the recognised standards
of objective journalism and sublimate your own opinion,
at least do your best to do so."

Many Australians believe that they do precisely that.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 8:31:03 AM
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Many Australians believe that they do precisely that.
Foxy,
Were you to socialise with everyday people you'd find that not to be true ! In my opinion the ABC is simply an over-funded academic yuppie club, pushing an insidious agenda, that of the gay etc Left to control & deny anything that is normal moral !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 27 March 2021 9:15:16 AM
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Hi Individual,

I can see that you are passionate and beyond
appeasing in your opinion of the ABC. I
appreciate that and will as a result do
more research on the subject to see whether
you're correct. I firmly believe that we
should have a national broadcaster.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 9:21:53 AM
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Only about 30% of the population "believes" in the ABC: died in the wool lefties who cite yards of ABC references here in lieu of critical thought and personal knowledge.

Most Australians would not object to a UK-BBC style move against the billion dollar anachronism. Many would like to see it sold off or abolished. But this will not happen as long as we have the cowardly politicians we do.

The most stupid of these politicians are the Coalition, at whom 99.9% of the treacherous venom is aimed - the muck that is lapped up by Communist China and used in their propaganda war against us.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 27 March 2021 10:17:15 AM
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Poll after poll by Newspoll, Essential, and
Saulwick shows that support for the ABC remains at
between 70 and 80% of the population and that it is
the most trusted news source in Australia, by a distance.

But as Jonathan Holmes points out the ABC's own surveys
also show that the number of those who think that the
ABC is doing a poor job has almost doubled in recent
years from 5 to 10%.

Holmes tells us that this should not be shrugged off.
He says that it is the same minority as that conservative
"base" that wields so much influence in the modern
Coalition. He says that it is crucial therefore that the
ABC makes those people too, feel that somewhere in its
output or on air, their views and concerns are heard and
reflected. And to that extent that the verifiable facts
allow given validity.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 10:53:21 AM
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I firmly believe that we
should have a national broadcaster.
Foxy,
So do I along with 100% of the population !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 27 March 2021 11:12:29 AM
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Hi Individual,

You belong to the 5 to 10% of the population.
You're outnumbered by the 70 to 80%.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 11:49:52 AM
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We would need to see the actual Newspoll question ( bearing in mind also the total dog's breakfast Newspoll made of the last election prediction), as well as asking ourselves, if the ABC is so popular, why are so few people watching/listening to the ABC? Certainly, the last couple of election results have not shown that the electorate trusted the ABC's anti-Coalition propaganda.

I would have thought that, after the disastrously wrong predictions by Newspoll (Shorten was a cert for PM), nobody would be taking much notice of Newspoll. Particularly as the Coalition leader was a typical example of a person promoted to one level above his competence.

As far as news TV goes, Channel 7 is on top.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 27 March 2021 1:17:25 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

You wrote: "With the ridiculous money we pay B & C graders at the ABC we should be able to dictate which side of the bed they sleep on."

Is that the same for military personnel? Police? Teachers? Doctors and nurses?

Dear Foxy,

It is quite remarkable how the Murdoch press has been able to so insidiously dictate the opinion of the compliant. They would love to see the ABC shut down and have their useful idiots attacking Aunty with gay abandon.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 27 March 2021 1:27:06 PM
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Dear Steele,

Poll after poll, not only Newspoll show that support
for the ABC remains at between 70 and 80% of the
population and that it is the most trusted news source
in Australia. The ABC's Editorial policies at their
simplest strive for accuracy, fairness, and impartiality.

As Mark Scott , previous Director, stated:

"We don't ask questions about our journalists voting
patterns and where their ideologies are.
We don't do that kind of journalism. We look at the
journalism that they put out to air."

Most of the current affairs presenters and reporters
do a good job to maintain their impartiality. And much
more importantly a substantial majority of Australian
people agree.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 2:09:45 PM
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"Poll after poll, not only Newspoll show that support
for the ABC remains at between 70 and 80% of the
population and that it is the most trusted news source
in Australia".

The question remains: if this is so, why do so few people watch or listen to the ABC?
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 27 March 2021 5:20:46 PM
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Evidence please.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 5:56:35 PM
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In 2018, ABC TV had a 17% market share.

Seven Network 30.5%

Nine Network 27.4%

Ten Network 17.4%

In the same year, 83% of Australians NEVER WATCHED ANY ABC TV.

I fully expect you to deny that; if you were told a Polar bear was white you would say it was black. I don't know why the few posters who try to argue with you go to the bother. I certainly will go bother with you again, you bigoted old battleaxe.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 27 March 2021 6:58:33 PM
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Thank you for providing some figures.

However there are more figures - the ABC News websites have
held the big spot in the Nielsen Digital ratings.
Then their studio audiences should also be taken into
account. As well as ABC International that reaches
audiences close to 11 million each month on television, radio,
and online. And so it goes.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 7:55:28 PM
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Dear Foxy,

Yes the ABC's reach digitally has been extraordinary.

http://www.mediaweek.com.au/news-audience-surge-in-march-abc-audience-doubles-guardian-50/

It also boast the highest time spent and the highest number of sessions. It is a very well trusted source for so many Australians.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 27 March 2021 8:32:12 PM
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Evidence please.
Foxy,
It's all around you, all you need to do is to accept it !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 28 March 2021 6:34:06 AM
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Hi Individual,

I totally agree!
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 March 2021 7:25:22 AM
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Foxy,
Stop wearing your rose-coloured glasses & you'll see a whole new World out there !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 28 March 2021 8:15:32 AM
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Hi Individual,

If I do what you suggest and stop wearing rose-coloured
glasses I certainly will see a whole new world out
there.

Apparently according to an article in "Science Daily" Adam
Anderson tells us of a new study from the University of
Toronto that provides the first direct evidence that our
mood literally changes the way our visual system filters
our perception experience suggesting that seeing the world
through rose-coloured glasses is biological reality.

Specifically the study shows that when in a positive mood our
visual cortex takes in more information while negative
moods result in tunnel vision.

The study appears in the "Journal of Neuroscience.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 March 2021 8:43:18 AM
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individual,

You will never get any sense out of Mother Russia. There is no point in arguing with the woman. Without the ABC she would be struck dumb; no thoughts of her own. A sock puppet.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 28 March 2021 8:56:25 AM
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Hi Individual,

Mediocre minds usually dismiss anything which reaches
beyond their own understanding.
(Albert Einstein).
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 March 2021 9:23:47 AM
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individual,

See what I mean. Now she's quoting Einstein! Not an original thought in her. A ventriloquist's dummy. She would be stuffed without someone else to do her thinking for her; hence the crazed, desperate defence of the ABC, which gives her daily instructions.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 28 March 2021 9:45:43 AM
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Hi Individual,

People use quotes to reinforce their ideas. Quotes are
more powerful then simply repeating yourself in
different words. Einstein was not a mediocre mind and
he did encounter opposition from mediocre minds. Hence
quoting him to get an emotional response was not
only appropriate but quite fun!
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 March 2021 10:57:04 AM
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As for the ABC?

Recent events such as the bushfire disaster have only
shown why our national broadcaster is so vital.

"It would be a strategic nightmare. We would lack the most
important information to help us in a time of need."
said a survivor from Narooma.

This is a sobering reminder of the role played by the
ABC during times of crisis.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 March 2021 11:54:20 AM
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Foxy,
The fire fighters & Emergency personnel with many, many volunteers did all the dirty work. They weren't sitting in an air conditioned office repeating at high salaries what the people on the ground told them.
Landline is a program that clearly shows that good content programs can be produced without some Academic "experts" meddling in everything !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 28 March 2021 2:35:58 PM
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Dear individual,

And our Liberal PM couldn't even do that nicking off to Hawaii during the fires.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 28 March 2021 2:57:31 PM
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Hi individual,

The ABC's role in providing a rolling source of
information was crucial in allowing people to be
informed and aware of danger, to make plans, and in
evacuating.

Lives were saved as a result of people acting on
information the ABC provided.

The ABC's research was submitted to the Royal Commission
into National Natural Disaster Arrangements which was
established in response to the extreme bushfire
season of 2019-2020.

For many people when digital and telecommunications failed
in bushfire impacted areas the ABC local radio was the
only way to access timely information and helped people
survive.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 March 2021 3:08:14 PM
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Foxy,
EVERYONE played a crucial role, the ABC just happens to be the most funded outfit which enables them to play the loudest trumpet ! Afterwards !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 28 March 2021 4:24:00 PM
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And our Liberal PM couldn't even do that nicking off to Hawaii during the fires.
SteeleRedux,
Yes and our Qld Premier was in the USA at the same time I believe.
Neither are fire fighters !
Btw. where did you engage in fighting the fires ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 28 March 2021 4:26:27 PM
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Does anyone remember this incident?

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/07/barnaby-joyce-sexual-harassment-investigation-unable-reach-determination

I wonder how Barnaby's case would fare in the current climate of LNP sexual deviancy behaviour and the revelation of abuse against women in the LNP ranks?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 29 March 2021 5:31:41 AM
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Mr Opinion,
The Left's stupidity has quadrupled several times over since then. Young boys weren't instructed by morons to apologise to girls then either.
I just wonder who the greater morons are, those who employ morons or the morons ?
Posted by individual, Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16:52 PM
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The ABC and their don't ask don't tell- us about your far left ideology policy at the interview- and we will let you push your far left agenda.

There is an argument that the ABC being a semi-government body has a duty to be non-partisan. But movements in the Overton Window by the Communists seems to have made a mockery of the concept. Classic Dog Wagging/ Virtue Signaling.

As I understand from wiki Andrew Bolt, Peta Credlin, Miranda Devine have segments on Sky News but there seems to be some delineation between The News pieces and the opinion- also it seems to be a recent perhaps reactionary phenomena.

Defund the ABC.

I've noticed that Foxy is back.

Happy Easter to all.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 1 April 2021 5:36:30 AM
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Just listened to "our ABC" when some obviously academically brainwashed host interviewed refugee women who also became academically indoctrinated.
I ended up turning the radio off when it became obvious that the feminists are now exploiting & involving refugees in their insidious agenda to destroy common sense & reenforce the anti-caucasian component of BLM.
And we're paying for that ? Even at only 8 Cents a day, this is misappropriation of public funding on a fairly hefty scale considering the planned outcome !
BLM will end up losing a lot of support from within once this becomes more obvious !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 4 April 2021 4:37:04 PM
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