And it's not democracy, 30+ countries backed by the UN have more sway than I do don't they - with their official forms, delegates and meetings.
When was I consulted?
When one party in a 2 party system represents immigrants;
Then it's pass the baton, between the existing peoples interests and foreigners and global interests.

Then what you do is force immigration so that it changes the demographics of the people, that way you can change the type of government that rules it.

When they impose their 'global beliefs' on nation states they strip away any real right for the people decide for ourselves, that's if we even had any anyway.

What's more important - states rights or human rights?

Well that depends, lets say you have a Muslim country and they don't allow anyone other than Muslims.
Should they be allowed to live however they choose, or if I decide I want to go there should I think everything should change just for me as a foreigner?

If you impose your beliefs on them, then they don't have the right to live how they choose anymore.

How can people say they believe in democracy but then every nation pokes its nose into every other nations citizens decisions?

Armchair,
>First off, we give too many kids above the age of 10 a virtual free pass already.
So you're railing against something that you suppose will formalise the status quo?

What will it take to get it into your thick head that increasing the age of criminal responsibility won't give anyone a free pass?

It's PRIMARILY the parents' job to ensure their kids physical and emotional wellbeing. But if you consider it to be EXCLUSIVELY the parents' job, you're demonstrating the aloof attitude that you're complaining about!

> Or you can say the people who are subjected to the kids crimes are the victims.

WTF do you mean "or"?
You seem to be making the ludicrous claim that recognising the victims of the crime are victims is mutually exclusive with understanding that the perpetrators may also be victims!

>Or I suppose you could entertain the whole idea of disadvantage,
>but only if you say its ok to do nothing and hate on society

Struth, these preposterous claims of yours are coming thick and fast! Why do you think only those dumb enough to think disadvantage excuses bad behaviour should be able to acknowledge the role it has in causing such behaviour?

>And it's not democracy, 30+ countries backed by the UN have more sway than I do don't they

So what? Sway isn't voting power! Different people have different amounts of sway. While they remain alive, you'll never hold as much sway as Rupert Murdoch, Donald Trump, Kerry Stokes, Waleed Ali, Bono, Elon Musk, or indeed the majority of famous people.

Do you think you should hold as much sway as them? Surely you know what "armchair critic" means? Your portraying yourself as someone who doesn't bother going and investigating the facts, but instead voices opinions based on the little evidence that reaches you.

Countries at the UN consult experts, not ignoramuses!

Armchair (continued)

>When one party in a 2 party system represents immigrants;
I'm not going to discuss the implications of that until you've stated the relevance. In which country, if any, do you think that applies to?

>lets say you have a Muslim country and they don't allow anyone other than Muslims.
>Should they be allowed to live however they choose, or if I decide I want to go there
>should I think everything should change just for me as a foreigner?

No, not for you as a foreigner, but for the people who live there! People should be free from tyranny, even when it's the tyranny of the majority.

It's not about imposing beliefs on others. Nearly all countries signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. And the rest certainly weren't democracies.

>How can people say they believe in democracy but then every nation pokes its nose >into every other nations citizens decisions?

Firstly because democracy isn't the be all and end all.
Secondly because poking their noses in is entirely compatible with democracy. Indeed by helping to keep everyone informed about what the problems are, it actually improves democracy!

Hey Aiden,

"So you're railing against something that you suppose will formalise the status quo?"

No, I'm railing against a policy that will see dysfunctional kids under 13 not be held accountable for their actions and be allowed to continue to harm others into adulthood.

"What will it take to get it into your thick head that increasing the age of criminal responsibility won't give anyone a free pass?"

What does it take to get it into YOUR THICK HEAD that they are already getting a free pass?

Let me tell you about a 13 year old I personally know ok.
His list of crimes at 13 include, grievous bodily hard on a handicap kid. Break and Enters, Stealing, Stealing cars joyriding, racial abuse, threatening people with machete's and then having to go back to the police station to ask for his machete back. Assaulting people,doing crack, I know his house was raided several times with police looking for firearms, and he had threatened to kill his mother, and beat her up to the point she's petrified of him. Department of children services threaten to take her other kid because they say she's putting her at risk, all she can do is do her best and hope they keep him locked up and move somewhere where he can't find her, or she will lose her other kid, and is more or less a basket case living in fear of him.
- For years he would do all this stuff and all the police would do is drop him back home -

So don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about;
- And I don't even know the half of the stuff that he's done.

[Cont.]
"It's PRIMARILY the parents' job to ensure their kids physical and emotional wellbeing. But if you consider it to be EXCLUSIVELY the parents' job, you're demonstrating the aloof attitude that you're complaining about!"

No, it's ENTIRELY a parents job to ensure their kid's physical and emotional wellbeing;
If you fail to ensure your kid's physical and emotional wellbeing, - THEN YOU FAIL YOUR KIDS.
To argue otherwise Aiden, you'd have to successfully argue on a basis of merit that 'IT'S NOT a parent's job to ensure their child's physical and emotional well-being'.
If you want to argue that, if you are stupid enough to even attempt to try to argue it's NOT a parent's job to ensure their child's physical and emotional well-being, then more fool you. Be my guest.

"You seem to be making the ludicrous claim that recognising the victims of the crime are victims is mutually exclusive with understanding that the perpetrators may also be victims!"

It's you that sees these kids as victims more than the people who are harmed by the actions of kids like this, when you're advocating for raising the age of criminal responsibility.

Maybe I'll get to the rest later...

Oh, and by the way, aloof means 'I don't care'; indifferent.
It doesn't mean ignorant.

For the record 'Ensuring you kids physical and emotional wellbeing' ISN'T NEGOTIABLE.

YOU EITHER DO OR YOU DON'T.

If you don't take the time to encourage their physical development then they aren't going to come to you if there are things wrong within their physical development.
It'll be your fault if something is wrong but they don't feel they can come to you.
If you don't ensure their emotional wellbeing and approach it that way, then by default you may very well be ensuring their child dysfunction.
If you are not on the same page as them, and build emotional trust, take an active part of their lives, be their friend, but have their best interests too, then they're not going to come to you with problems because they won't trust you enough to share things with you.

If you fail to do these things and your dysfunctional kids spirals out of control into adolescence, hates authority and wants to fight the whole entire world, do drugs and doesn't care about anything;
- Than that's your fault for not being on the same page with them and ensuring their physical and emotional well-being and having their best interest in the first place.
- That's YOUR JOB as a parent.

It may be society's problem, but it sure as hell is not other individuals fault except the parents themselves.