ttbn,

You and your kind wanted to Asianize Australia so that you could fill your pockets with Chinese silver so I reckon you can now like it or lump it.

Re Minutes Silence: I heard this come across my housemates TV this morning.

First impression: Annoyed by it.
First Thoughts: They are trying to impose guilt upon the entire populace, when no-one is responsible for things that happened prior to being born.

Nobody alive today is responsible for events back in the 1700's.
NO-ONE, The people they are angry at are LONG DEAD.

What do the indigenous want to do, raise them from the dead,
Lay out a formal victim impact statement and then hit over the head with a nulla nulla and put them back in the ground?

What exactly?

Then I went looking for articles and came across this:
http://www.progressivechristians.org.au/articles/observe-a-minutes-silence-on-australia-day

"Remembrance and Reflection. But let us include a third R – Resolution. Let us, as an Australian people, resolve that the story of both indigenous and European occupation of this land be faced squarely. At 10:00am on the 26 January, 2013, for a minute at least, let the story of the experience of Australia’s indigenous people be remembered. Is that too much to ask?"

And then I'm like eeehhhhhh....

I can see where they're going.
I can see they have good intentions.

Resolve.
1. As In: Trying to put past differences behind you, come to some sort of understanding - water under the bridge.
2. Or it could be more of a victim impact statement, holding you accountable for things you've done.
3. Where someone resolves to do something.

I think there's no resolving things that happened 200 years ago, and indigenous have resolved to never let others forget it.
Standing against what was done to them in the past is part and parcel of their very identity now.

The worlds gone crazy.
I think it's time for my every now-and-again

'World's next most stupidest thing'.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/calls-to-ban-baby-wet-wipes-in-queensland-20210119-p56v9p.html

'Baby wipes to be banned, Parents told to use their hands instead'
- No it doesn't say that but it may as well...

Hows this one:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/plastic-straws-knives-forks-to-be-thrown-out-for-good-in-queensland-20200828-p55q81.html

Disposable plastic straws, plates and cutlery are close to being banned in Queensland after a parliamentary committee gave the proposal the green light.

"Under the legislation, set to be debated in State Parliament next month, businesses caught selling plastic straws and cutlery after July 1, 2021, would be fined up to $6672."

Here's the 'Do as I say but not as I do' fineprint.

"Schools and healthcare providers will be exempt from the ban."

- Make us pay (through the nose) for the changes they want, while exempting themselves from the same regulations.

Well I got my 2 boxes of 1000 plastic drinking straws on eBay so you can all suck it.
- Suck it up in your sloppy soggy paper straws.
There's a reason they got rid of them - you know what the reason was.

They're shite.

We're now living under a soft-authoritarian government.

I think it's all crap.
How come Coles and Woolies managed to change their bags to more environmentally friendly plastic and keep everyone off their backs?
Or is it just because they are made in Germany from 80% recycled plastic and charge us that we say 'Ohh... ok then'.

What and you can't change straws and other things to use some kind of biodegradable plastic?

There's a war on humans being human.

The plan is 'carbon neutral', that means if we fart, we get fined, because we probably ate some kind of banned meat product when will decree that all we are allowed is plant based meat.

- And you can bet the elites won't be going without their porterhouse.

There's no end to any of this crazyness, they're never satisfied and they just keep shifting the goalposts.

The worlds gone to shite, what's to even debate anymore?

'More than 30 countries condemn Australia at UN over high rates of child incarceration'
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/21/china-attacks-australia-at-un-over-baseless-charges-as-canberra-criticised-for-keeping-children-in-detention

You see this?
This is kind of what I'm talking about when I say we have no democracy.
- There's no such thing as democracy in a 2 party system when one of the platforms is an 'immigrant' platform.

What we have instead is international democracy imposed on sovereign nation states.

I most certainly DO NOT support giving all kids a free pass till they are 14. No.
If they can't learn to take responsibility for their own actions at 14 then it's unlikely they ever will, and a lot of other people will have to pay the price in the meantime in the hope that someday they will take to take responsibility for their own actions.

Honestly if we had kids working in pubs serving patrons drinks from age 8, we'd probably have kids that grow up and take more responsibility for themselves than we do now.

Look at this over-privileged woman.
Claims to have never have washed her own hair in her life, and needs her hairdresser, oh poor baby.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/bernard-tomics-girlfriend-vanessa-sierra-gets-clip-from-cricket-wag/news-story/38a38d02effa07c4e37e216ec8a05163

Society is getting pretty sick.

Armchair,
You're the sick one. Those 30+ countries are right - Australia does have a very big problem with kids in detention. Increasing the age of criminal responsibility is part of the solution, but THAT DOES NOT MEAN GIVING EVERYONE BELOW THAT AGE A FREE PASS.

In a previous discussion on this issue, Foxy posted the link http://humanrights.gov.au/about/news/opinions/jail-answer-australian-kids
I suggest you read it. But first, lets take a look at a few more of your absurd claims:

>This is kind of what I'm talking about when I say we have no democracy.
This indicates Trumpian levels of delusion! Or maybe you subscribe to the Chinese Communist Party's notion that democracy really means 'protecting those in power from international criticism'?

I support real democracy - bring on the criticism.
Why do you oppose it?

>- There's no such thing as democracy in a 2 party system when one of the platforms is an 'immigrant' platform.
I can't think of a single example of it, so maybe you are technically correct, though I get the feeling you wanted your comment to be interpreted some other way. What exactly were you thinking of?

>What we have instead is international democracy imposed on sovereign nation states.
Hardly - the UN has practically no power to enforce these things.

Anyway, which do you think should be more important: states' rights or human rights?
The USA fought a civil war over the issue. Fortunately the human rights side won.

First off, we give too many kids above the age of 10 a virtual free pass already.
I personally know kids 13 and 14 that have committed more crime than any adult would ever see the light of day outside of prison again for.

Kids... Well it's not that they don't know the difference between right and wrong, for the large part they do, they just don't care and it doesn't help when bad things were done to them.

If you're raised in a toxic environment, and you develop an aloof attitude to deal with a situation beyond your control;
- Then you are going to grow up dysfunctional with an 'I don't care attitude', and a narcissist.
You're going to find friends in all the other dysfunctional kids, and peer pressure will take you towards drugs, alcohol and crime.

Where do the indigenous kids in detention come from?
Probably from bad homes of young mums that can't or don't know how to raise their kids any better than they were raised.

** It's a parents job to ensure their kids physical and emotional wellbeing.
It's not the rest of societies fault if these kids have issues.
- But it is our problem when we're on the end of it.

These kids will harm others none the less and I'm not going to give them a free pass.
If they haven't committed any crimes, then they shouldn't be in with those who have, but ultimately it's not society's fault they are there any less then its their own parents who failed them.

You can argue it two different ways, you can say the kids are victims (many just perpetuate the aloof attitude and play the system)
Or you can say the people who are subjected to the kids crimes are the victims.

Or I suppose you could entertain the whole idea of disadvantage, but only if you say its ok to do nothing and hate on society for stuff that happened 200 years ago, instead of going out into the world and trying to make a better life for yourself.