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What Hope Is There For Australia?

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It is a bloody waste of time trying to get anyone to stick to the topic. China/Chinese has sweet FA to do with this one. Aidan and Foxy are the only respondents who have had anything to say about 'What Hope Is There For Australia?'
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 22 November 2020 9:26:19 PM
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ttbn, I gave you a reasonable response to your opening post. I was not concerned by the intent of the Morrison governments approach to the economic crises, but I did question some of the methods used. I disagreed with the way 'Jobkeeper' was organised, and I disagreed with some of the business incentives the way they were applied. Some of the knee-jerk reacation was too open to abuse. 'Jobseeker' was absolutely necessary, but the cash handouts to pensioners was nothing more than a sop to keep that group happy at election time.

A conservative regime in power, not willing to embrace basic socialism as a response to the pandemic, both from a heath prospective and a economic one, would have driven unemployment through the roof, and business collapse would have been on a grand scale. The conservatives would have give us The Great Depression II with their do nothing, steady as she goes nonsense! We should be thankful that we don't have that American nut job Trump in power, and we should also be thankful the local nut job, which you supported, Corny Banana and his Australian Conservatives never gained any sort of traction with the electorate. Heaven help us if those fruitnicks ever gain control in this country!
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 23 November 2020 5:04:18 AM
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Thanks for the correction ttbn.

I don't know what happened with Labor during the Rudd era.

It started out with a Small Australia policy which became a Big Australia policy.

The suspicion is someone got to them.

45.1 % is concerning but given the current "situation" not surprising.

I would have preferred to see the authorities pulling together to keep business processes and structures limping along- now comatose- millions jobless. Interesting when social security payments stop. Obviously ScoMo can only keep payments up for so long. Perhaps Labor Victorian Government used the crisis to put pressure on the Federal Liberal Government in bloody minded communist political tactics.

I find the cost of packages through our national mail service Australia Post to be an impediment to effective business- something that needs to be resolved. My understanding is this is due to international treaties. It's interesting to see non-traditional players entering the package delivery sector. You start to become aware of the national security of logistics. It seems that it costs less to send product from China than locally.

I agree with ttbn- spending is not reform- I remember Stiglitz on borrowing- Simply "you borrow money to create more money"- the point of community is that by working together everyone is better off- but what if mismanagement and "corruption" mean that on average everyone is worse off. In the case of pollies they borrow a large amount of money so that they can keep more money for themselves at high interest to the tax payer- but the system is geared that way- it's our fault.

Whatever party gets in we are going down- with some we go down much faster. Small government is generally better- but we need a strong military hierarchy with roots in the community.

Maybe the hardship that we face will lead us to help us face up to reality- but more likely a snake oil salesman will come out of the woodwork with a shiny new device to lead us further away.

I admire those British Australian's/ British that lived through The Great Depression- discipline, improvisation, toughness.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 23 November 2020 5:54:02 AM
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ttbn,

You just said above that China/Chinese has sweet FA to do with Australia.

Are you alright? Do you follow what goes on in the world?

Looks like you might be in the pro-China camp with Pseudo-Mouth, Foxy, david f, et al.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 23 November 2020 6:02:51 AM
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In answer to Mr Opinion-

Berejiklian is Liberal but still believes in immigration for different reason's (economic) than the socialists (universalism globalism- cultural hegemony/ engineering cultural direction by cultural dominance)- that's why many are looking back to traditionalism.

The Liberal party consists of "Economic Free Traders" and "Traditionalists".

In this way ttbn is right- the Government and the Opposition are sort of pathetic- and it's because they are essentially on the same side- I suspect that is ttbn's point.

For me the Liberal Party's redeeming point is that there is a large minority traditionalist component- through certain people- mainly the ones who got rid of Turnbull including Abbott.

A lot has been said about the right eating it's own- something the left does less in a sense perhaps. For me Patrick Deneen clarifies the issue when he talks about "the politics of the so called waters of freedom"- maybe one day people will realise- when they stick their heads out of the self reflecting surface- that they can swim in the sky- in a fluid of lesser density- traditionalism.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 23 November 2020 6:12:32 AM
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Mr. Opinion,

There's your reading disability again. I said China and the Chinese had nothing to do with THIS SUBJECT - not with Australia. Perhaps your obsession with Chinese (hatred?) also clouds your judgement and logic. I've made my position on China clear many times. It is of no interest to me in this thread.

CM,

You were responding to Mr. Opinion's nonsense, which is understandable. Thanks for your contribution now. We are certainly "going down" as you say. I don't think there is much hope at all. Premier Marshmallow's blind panic here in SA over 22 mild cases of the virus has pretty much finished off any faith I might have had in our politicians. He even tried to convince us that there was a new, more deadly strain of it here - with the help of his glamour girl medical 'expert' after they realised, without admitting it, that they had made fools of themselves. Even the police commissioner, a decent bloke normally, wouldn't apologise for the stuff up.

In the meantime, there is not a cigarette paper between the Coalition and Labor when it comes to stupidity. Like pseudo conservatives all over the West, Morrison has folded, leaving lots of people who would rather vote 'informal' than vote for Labor, which after all is only doing what it has always done, while the Coalition has treacherously gone left.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 23 November 2020 7:40:06 AM
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