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Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 9:22:58 PM
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ttbn,
Here's anothery, "Lexic.us Definition of Advertizer 1. Noun. Someone whose business is advertising. Exact synonyms: Adman, Advertiser Specialized synonyms: Huckster, Booster, Plugger, Promoter, Tout, Touter Generic synonyms: Publiciser, Publicist, Publicizer Derivative terms: Advertise, Advertize http://www.lexic.us/definition-of/advertizer Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 10:15:55 PM
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Dear Aidan,
«No, that's battery! But they often go together.» Interesting! I was not aware of this. However, I do not speak legalese, nor did I even attempt to suggest what the law should be. Rather, I was using common English to speak of morality, simply saying: "Look friend, this is bad, it hurts people". Many actions are legal yet immoral, but so it should remain because I wouldn't appoint government to guard morality any more than I would appoint a cat to guard the cream. «No it isn't - at least not usually. An arguable exception is when fulfilling those desires is harmful» My neighbour has a tree which keeps dropping shoots in my yard. Every spring I have to chase and pull out those droppings lest they grow into unwanted big trees. Some of these shoots land in hidden spots such as under my bushes, so it requires a careful daily search. I am still capable of gardening and pull them out diligently, but I rather spend my time in other ways. Other people may be too young, old, sick, ignorant or busy to weed their gardens. Earlier I differentiated between pre-existing desires and new ones. How to deal with existing desires is beyond the scope of this discussion, although I am grateful to David F. for introducing the philosophical and Buddhist aspects. In analogy, what I plant in my own garden could perhaps also be harmful, but here I only address uncalled-for seeds and roots that come from my neighbour's yard. «You wrongly assume the gaping wound to be the desire itself. In reality the gaping wound is often unaddressed because it's unrecognised.» And it remains unrecognised because people are too busy handling heaps of new junk-information. «Complete absence of desire is stagnation; not a heathy state at all!» And nobody suggested it: there is a fine line between desires and cravings. Ideally, one would have the former but not the latter. [continued...] Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 11:19:06 PM
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«people can (and do) judge for themselves whether the benefits are worth the cost.» Which indeed they should. But one's time on earth is precious, we generally have not enough time to sort out even our own deep-rooted accumulated desires, so having to also sort out new outside-temptations would be an unnecessary Sisyphean task. «You seem to want to deny that comparison to those who don't actively look for it.» What I want is to protect people who are happily busy with whatever is already meaningful in their lives from having to waste their precious time on weeding the neighbours' shoots. For those who want comparisons, looking for what they want should actually become simpler. At the moment they are flooded instead with mountains of information that is irrelevant to their situation. I would like comparisons to become simpler and faster, and I believe that they will, if the system was designed to provide service to consumers rather than profits for producers. «The world is full of disturbing and irrelevant information. Advertising is trivial in this regard - the news is far worse!» Hard to tell which is worse, it is quite personal. Anyone should be able to live their own life while keeping away from either or both to whatever extent they wish. «But how would they know they're not yet aware of their problems, and what makes you think introspecting would result in them being found?» I am not saying that introspection will always find everything - for some it could take more than a lifetime, but experience shows that people who introspect discover existing problems and issues on a daily basis. «The economic system based on satisfying "the greed of producers" has produced spectacular results; certainly much better than any alternative system.» Perhaps for the producers or the GDP, but not for the helpless mass of consumers. While there may be more to buy (though of lesser quality and endurance), life for most has become stressful, unhealthy and futile. Happiness was not achieved this way. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 11:19:10 PM
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The Left has been using this tactic for a long time !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 5 November 2020 5:18:23 PM
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Posted by Cossomby, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 5:29:10 PM
A lot of advertising is competitive - one company trying to convince us that their product is better than their rival's. This is the essence of capitalism...(otherwise) communism? So I am somewhat surprised at the outrage of those usually conservative / right wing posters about an essential element of capitalism, business competition. Answer- Good point Cossomby. Encouraging honesty consistency- which is lacking. Ayn Rand would agree with you- as a warning against Communism. However Capitalism and Communism are not the only options on the "spectrum of societies structure". I favour Traditionalism- in Traditional societies people are aware of the goods and services available within the community without advertising by word of mouth. Perhaps all Advertising is Subliminal Advertising- as is all communication- in a sense. I've been occasionally surprised at how I and others have been subtly influenced by sophisticated public relations campaigns. Those without principles are sucked in by the turbulence of concentric cascading cyclones of competing PR campaigns. Even aware I spend large amounts of time untangling myself from tricky philosophy. Mass Culture is an interesting phenomena- Capitalism and Communism are both heavily influenced by mass culture. Perhaps what people are reacting to is the overwhelming complexity and threat of mass culture. Zoologist Desmond Morris commented alienation is inevitable- The Human Zoo (Tribes vs Super-Tribes). Many of the so called Conservative people on this forum are perhaps not "right" in the referred sense. Political theorists advocate multiple dimensions- not just left and right. (I've seen more than four dimensions at play in the various political situations. Difficult to draw four dimensions on a two dimensional paper. Objectively Michell substitutes the word "communitarian" for "totalitarian".) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum#Mitchell:_Eight_Ways_to_Run_the_Country "From the four main political traditions, Mitchell identifies eight distinct political perspectives diverging from a populist center. Four of these perspectives (Progressive, Individualist, Paleoconservative, and Neoconservative) fit squarely within the four traditions; four others (Paleolibertarian, Theoconservative, Communitarian, and Radical) fit between the traditions, being defined by their singular focus on rank or force. " Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 9 November 2020 9:18:20 PM
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"How to use advertize in a sentence"
http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/sentences-with-the-word/advertize.html